Thinking about it now......

[justinlynch3]

Is the Terminator in Terminator 3 a downgrade from the Terminator in Terminator 2?

I mean yes the Terminator in Terminator 3 is said to be stronger, faster, and smarter then previous models.   But, she is only liquid metal on the survive.    Underneath she is still a solid chassis though and Arnold was able to take a reactor out of his old model Terminator and use it to blow her to kingdom come.

The Terminator in part 2 had no solid chassis underneath.   He was 100% liquid medal.    You could blow him into 1000's of tiny bits and he'd just reform like nothing happened.     Literally nothing short of of melting him away in liquid lava could stop him for good, even freezing him was only a temporary fix.

So what do you guys think.    Was Terminator 3's ultimate Terminator actually a downgrade from the Terminator of Terminator 2?

[Straight Edge Steve]

Yes. A woman is always a downgrade from a male terminator model.

[monkeywool]

Nope, she was designed to kill other terminators, including the T-1000. He could only convert his body into sharp objects, knives, swords, that kind of thing.

She could turn her hand into a minigun and blow the crap out of everything.

I never quite understood why they didn't just send her back with a T-1000 while T2 was going on, then BOOM! everything would have been done. Hell, even sending her with the T-101 would have worked, take the crap out of Sarah Connor just after Kyle Reese died. BOOM!

[justinlynch3]

Dec 3, 2013 18:02:11 GMT -5 monkeywool said:

Nope, she was designed to kill other terminators, including the T-1000. He could only convert his body into sharp objects, knives, swords, that kind of thing.

She could turn her hand into a minigun and blow the crap out of everything.

I never quite understood why they didn't just send her back with a T-1000 while T2 was going on, then BOOM! everything would have been done. Hell, even sending her with the T-101 would have worked, take the crap out of Sarah Connor just after Kyle Reese died. BOOM!

She is stronger, faster, more advanced and supposedly smarter.    I don't argue that.

My point is that the T-1000 is virtually indestructible.

So the T3 (I'll call her that since I don't remember her real number) could form advanced weapons and blow the T-1000 apart, so what?   The T-1000 will just reform, shake his finger at you for being bad, and continue to battle as if the T3 did nothing at all.    Like I said, nothing short of tossing the T-1000 into a bowl of multin lava, or into a volcano is going to stop him.     Going by part 2, the T-1000 has no vulnerable inner core at all, he's 100% this liquid metal type substance.

The T3 was shown with a solid inner core, granted a far stronger core then the T-101, but a solid inner core non the less.

So if a T3 fought a T-1000, could the T3's strengths really compensate for the T-1000 virtual invincibility?

[monkeywool]

Dec 4, 2013 2:04:23 GMT -5 justinlynch3 said:

Dec 3, 2013 18:02:11 GMT -5 monkeywool said:

Nope, she was designed to kill other terminators, including the T-1000. He could only convert his body into sharp objects, knives, swords, that kind of thing.

She could turn her hand into a minigun and blow the crap out of everything.

I never quite understood why they didn't just send her back with a T-1000 while T2 was going on, then BOOM! everything would have been done. Hell, even sending her with the T-101 would have worked, take the crap out of Sarah Connor just after Kyle Reese died. BOOM!

She is stronger, faster, more advanced and supposedly smarter.    I don't argue that.

My point is that the T-1000 is virtually indestructible.

So the T3 (I'll call her that since I don't remember her real number) could form advanced weapons and blow the T-1000 apart, so what?   The T-1000 will just reform, shake his finger at you for being bad, and continue to battle as if the T3 did nothing at all.    Like I said, nothing short of tossing the T-1000 into a bowl of multin lava, or into a volcano is going to stop him.     Going by part 2, the T-1000 has no vulnerable inner core at all, he's 100% this liquid metal type substance.

The T3 was shown with a solid inner core, granted a far stronger core then the T-101, but a solid inner core non the less.

So if a T3 fought a T-1000, could the T3's strengths really compensate for the T-1000 virtual invincibility?

Well yes, the T-X (that's what it is) was designed as a terminator of terminators. It had more than enough power and skills to take out all previous models including the T-1000. The TX also has the same liquid metal coating a tough exoskeleton, so it was pretty damn hard to destroy. It took a nuke in its mouth to do it.

Apologies though, Arnie wasn't the T-101. It was the T-800 apparently.

[wildknight]

The T-1000 wasn't hardly "virtually indestructible." There are a number of methods of destroying it, if you know what you're up against. The only reason Arnie didn't take it out sooner in T2 (aside from plot armor) is that he also had to protect John Connors. If you read the fic, you'll see that the whole "you can freeze them, burn them, or melt them" thing actually opens up a TON of ways of taking one out. Thermite (which you can make in your kitchen, btw) will wipe out a T-1000.

[Rush]

Dec 4, 2013 6:54:20 GMT -5 wildknight said:

The T-1000 wasn't hardly "virtually indestructible." There are a number of methods of destroying it, if you know what you're up against. The only reason Arnie didn't take it out sooner in T2 (aside from plot armor) is that he also had to protect John Connors. If you read the fic, you'll see that the whole "you can freeze them, burn them, or melt them" thing actually opens up a TON of ways of taking one out. Thermite (which you can make in your kitchen, btw) will wipe out a T-1000.

T-100 is the Robert Patrick terminator right?

Anywho I like to think that terminator 3 and salvation didn't exist. Both sucked major ass. Damn Sam worthinton stupid nutbag

[wildknight]

Dec 4, 2013 11:56:45 GMT -5 Rush said:

Dec 4, 2013 6:54:20 GMT -5 wildknight said:

The T-1000 wasn't hardly "virtually indestructible." There are a number of methods of destroying it, if you know what you're up against. The only reason Arnie didn't take it out sooner in T2 (aside from plot armor) is that he also had to protect John Connors. If you read the fic, you'll see that the whole "you can freeze them, burn them, or melt them" thing actually opens up a TON of ways of taking one out. Thermite (which you can make in your kitchen, btw) will wipe out a T-1000.

T-100 is the Robert Patrick terminator right?

Anywho I like to think that terminator 3 and salvation didn't exist. Both sucked major ass. Damn Sam worthinton stupid nutbag

Correct. T-1000 was the only Terminator in history that could act :clap:

T3 was mostly bad, Salvation was terrible. Your hatred of Sam Worthington cracks me up though.

[Straight Edge Steve]

I like Terminator 3. The whole Sky Net thing going down was pretty cool.

[justinlynch3]

Other then the stupid concept of a terminator with a human heart, I felt Salvation was otherwise a ok movie, heck of a lot better then Terminator 3 at least.


As for T-1000, while I can imagine lots of ways to freeze him for a long period of time, it can't be that easy to burn or melt him. I mean the T-1000 survived in that container or termite for actually a pretty good while before finally melting away completely. I'd assume one of need a large amount of such thing to destroy, not a little bit of home brewed stuff you would make.

[wildknight]

Dec 4, 2013 16:10:00 GMT -5 justinlynch3 said:

Other then the stupid concept of a terminator with a human heart, I felt Salvation was otherwise a ok movie, heck of a lot better then Terminator 3 at least.

... ther eis no "other than"... that was the concept of the movie. It was completely idiotic.

As for T-1000, while I can imagine lots of ways to freeze him for a long period of time, it can't be that easy to burn or melt him. I mean the T-1000 survived in that container or termite for actually a pretty good while before finally melting away completely. I'd assume one of need a large amount of such thing to destroy, not a little bit of home brewed stuff you would make.

My friend and I made enough thermite to burn through a cars engine block in about 20 minutes. Thermite burns at a ridiculously high temperature... actually higher than the molten metal that destroyed T-1000 at the end of T2. You could fairly easily make enough of the stuff to wipe a T-1000 off the face of the earth, if you know how. You also forget that you don't HAVE to freeze him and just leave him frozen (though that certainly works). You can freeze him, break him into a thousand little pieces, and then melt them with thermite or, heck, collect the pieces and throw them into white hot coals and stoke the furnace. You can also liquify metal with a powerful enough flamethrower (again, something you can actually make with relatively little effort), and logic dictates that if molten metal can destroy a T-1000, any flame hot enough to MAKE molten metal can destroy a T-1000

[justinlynch3]

Dec 4, 2013 18:04:16 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Dec 4, 2013 16:10:00 GMT -5 justinlynch3 said:

Other then the stupid concept of a terminator with a human heart, I felt Salvation was otherwise a ok movie, heck of a lot better then Terminator 3 at least.

... ther eis no "other than"... that was the concept of the movie. It was completely idiotic.

As for T-1000, while I can imagine lots of ways to freeze him for a long period of time, it can't be that easy to burn or melt him. I mean the T-1000 survived in that container or termite for actually a pretty good while before finally melting away completely. I'd assume one of need a large amount of such thing to destroy, not a little bit of home brewed stuff you would make.

My friend and I made enough thermite to burn through a cars engine block in about 20 minutes. Thermite burns at a ridiculously high temperature... actually higher than the molten metal that destroyed T-1000 at the end of T2. You could fairly easily make enough of the stuff to wipe a T-1000 off the face of the earth, if you know how. You also forget that you don't HAVE to freeze him and just leave him frozen (though that certainly works). You can freeze him, break him into a thousand little pieces, and then melt them with thermite or, heck, collect the pieces and throw them into white hot coals and stoke the furnace. You can also liquify metal with a powerful enough flamethrower (again, something you can actually make with relatively little effort), and logic dictates that if molten metal can destroy a T-1000, any flame hot enough to MAKE molten metal can destroy a T-1000

Well then, that certainly does leave the T-1000 open to many options.

[wildknight]

Here, check this video out. You could make thermite that burns that hot with household items and maybe an hour or two of work

[justinlynch3]

That's pretty impressive.

[SoonDragon67]

Dec 4, 2013 18:12:01 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Here, check this video out. You could make thermite that burns that hot with household items and maybe an hour or two of work

You can also make a pretty dangerous bomb with household items and a few hours in multiple ways.

[wildknight]

Dec 4, 2013 19:01:19 GMT -5 SoonDragon67 said:

You can also make a pretty dangerous bomb with household items and a few hours in multiple ways.

Easily, but bombs don't kill T-1000's apparently, because somehow A/P/T Universe logic dictates that something that can be destroyed by being dissolved in molten metal isn't equally vulnerable to having it's bits scattered by explosions.

[miketheratguy]

Dec 4, 2013 16:09:54 GMT -5 Straight Edge Steve said:

I like Terminator 3. The whole Sky Net thing going down was pretty cool.

Yeah I was entertained by T3, actually. Clearly not on the level of the previous two films but I thought that the filmmakers had some interesting ideas and I didn't expect the ending, which I enjoyed. I kind of prefer the conceit that Judgment Day can't be prevented, only delayed.

Not a great film but an interesting and entertaining follow-up to an act that was all but impossible to follow. It's Salvation that I seem to keep being warned away from.

[wildknight]

Dec 5, 2013 2:51:33 GMT -5 miketheratguy said:

I kind of prefer the conceit that Judgment Day can't be prevented, only delayed

That was a massive logic hole that I couldn't get past. Not only the failing of the previously presented internal logic, but the fact that the Terminator somehow knew that. Very rarely has the ending of a movie left me spitting mad like that.