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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Dec 9, 2013 15:12:51 GMT -5
So in other words, they're terrible because you want to copy a crowd of people that say they're horrible and you have no real excuse because you secretly love them inside? I getcha now. How about gaping plot holes, a terrible main actor, crappy villains(excluding The Joker), and overall stupid plots. That said the second one was okay... What plot holes? Any specifics, or just copying somebody else? Christian Bale is not a crappy actor. You know this since you have a poster on your wall. Batman? Crappy villians are bad? Would you rather have Penguin, Calander Man, and Red Hood? Two-Face, Scarecrow, Bane, Al Ghuls, and Joker were all good at what was intended. Two-Face was portrayed fantastically and so was the Joker. I can kind of see why people hate Scarecrow and Bane, but I kind of don't neither. People are too caught up with how these people are portrayed in the comics, and don't realize that films are bound to try changing the stories and actions of these characters somewhat. Bane was great for what was intended, and so was Scarecrow. If you're somebody that likes them staying to the roots of the characters though, I can understand your anger with these things. Also, I didn't like Talia, but Ra's Al Ghul was portrayed decently enough for me. |
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Post by WSS? on Dec 9, 2013 15:20:13 GMT -5
Penguin and Calendar Man have actually been portrayed well and realistically before. Red Hood has potential, but he's usually just portrayed as a whiny little brat.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 9, 2013 15:21:07 GMT -5
The third film in specific has around 15 gaping plot holes. I haven't seen the other two in a while.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Dec 9, 2013 15:22:57 GMT -5
Penguin and Calendar Man have actually been portrayed well and realistically before. Red Hood has potential, but he's usually just portrayed as a whiny little brat. Realistically doesn't always mean good though. If anybody would prefer Penguin, Calendar Man, and/or Red Hood (A bit of a stretch, I know there are some better Villains in Batman, but these three were just three exaggerated examples that I thought of) over Bane, Scarerow, and Ra's Al Ghul...I'm inclined to call them crazy. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Dec 9, 2013 15:24:01 GMT -5
The third film in specific has around 15 gaping plot holes. I haven't seen the other two in a while. Once again....examples? I still don't see any gap holes, I'm looking for some examples here so I can try to look at things in your pov instead of mine. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 9, 2013 15:24:09 GMT -5
Penguin happens to be one of the most in depth characters in the comics. Unfortunately I doubt many movies could portray him correctly.
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Post by Rush on Dec 9, 2013 15:25:05 GMT -5
So in other words, they're terrible because you want to copy a crowd of people that say they're horrible and you have no real excuse because you secretly love them inside? I getcha now. hes got a superiority complex. Best bet is to ignore his foolishness |
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Post by WSS? on Dec 9, 2013 15:27:17 GMT -5
Penguin and Calendar Man have actually been portrayed well and realistically before. Red Hood has potential, but he's usually just portrayed as a whiny little brat. Realistically doesn't always mean good though. If anybody would prefer Penguin, Calendar Man, and/or Red Hood (A bit of a stretch, I know there are some better Villains in Batman, but these three were just three exaggerated examples that I thought of) over Bane, Scarerow, and Ra's Al Ghul...I'm inclined to call them crazy. *Raises hand* If we're talking about the version of Penguin that is a black market dealer, who is called Penguin because he's short and wears suits, then I'll take him over Rhas any day. If we're talking about the sewer dwelling mutant who lives with penguins, yeah, I'd have to agree with you. |
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Post by Rush on Dec 9, 2013 15:29:20 GMT -5
I want Phillip Seymour Hoffman to play the penguin in a movie
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Dec 9, 2013 15:31:56 GMT -5
Realistically doesn't always mean good though. If anybody would prefer Penguin, Calendar Man, and/or Red Hood (A bit of a stretch, I know there are some better Villains in Batman, but these three were just three exaggerated examples that I thought of) over Bane, Scarerow, and Ra's Al Ghul...I'm inclined to call them crazy. *Raises hand* If we're talking about the version of Penguin that is a black market dealer, who is called Penguin because he's short and wears suits, then I'll take him over Rhas any day. If we're talking about the sewer dwelling mutant who lives with penguins, yeah, I'd have to agree with you. I'm talking about either. I'm not doubting the fact that Penguin has the potential (though there are some places like sewer-dwelling in which I hate the guy) to have a good story. He even does have a good back story in many cases. Ra's on the other hand is way easier to portray correctly than Penguin, and in no way do I think that a good Penguin will ever be portrayed as the guy I like in the comic book world. Ra's was portrayed in a decent enough way to keep me hooked on the character though. That's why I'm inclined to say that Ra's is a more valuable villain to be in a movie than Penguin. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 9, 2013 15:34:14 GMT -5
The third film in specific has around 15 gaping plot holes. I haven't seen the other two in a while. Once again....examples? I still don't see any gap holes, I'm looking for some examples here so I can try to look at things in your pov instead of mine. In the third film... Pretty much every single one of Bane's plans contained plot holes. Even at the very beginning where he attacks the CIA plane. Why did the CIA plane not detect a non-stealth planed approaching its vicinity? His main take over the city plan revolves around Gotham deciding to send EVERY SINGLE ****ING COP INTO THE SEWERS! Why did they send every cop in the entire city you ask? Meh, I don't know... When Bane told one of his soldiers to stay in the plane because the CIA would expect at least one prisoner body...wouldn't the CIA be able to figure out that the plane was attacked from the outside based on the bullet holes and such? How about where Bruce's back is broken and he gets healed by getting his spine punched back into place? |
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Post by WSS? on Dec 9, 2013 15:42:52 GMT -5
By the way, two of my favorite let's players, Danznewz and GassyMexican, are guest voice actors in this video.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 9, 2013 15:48:08 GMT -5
Actually I forgot about the very ending, where super rich and super famous playboy Bruce Wayne is sitting at a cafe and only Alfred notices he's there. You know, it's not like he didn't just die or anything. Imagine if you saw Steve Jobs at a cafe...
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Dec 9, 2013 15:48:11 GMT -5
Once again....examples? I still don't see any gap holes, I'm looking for some examples here so I can try to look at things in your pov instead of mine. In the third film... Pretty much every single one of Bane's plans contained plot holes. Even at the very beginning where he attacks the CIA plane. Why did the CIA plane not detect a non-stealth planed approaching its vicinity? His main take over the city plan revolves around Gotham deciding to send EVERY SINGLE ****ING COP INTO THE SEWERS! Why did they send every cop in the entire city you ask? Meh, I don't know... When Bane told one of his soldiers to stay in the plane because the CIA would expect at least one prisoner body...wouldn't the CIA be able to figure out that the plane was attacked from the outside based on the bullet holes and such? How about where Bruce's back is broken and he gets healed by getting his spine punched back into place? 1. How do you not know that it didn't have a cloaking device of some sort? Some planes have them, and if Bane had the right resources, this could be why. There could be multiple things that affect this. 2. In a war, you are bound to do whatever you can to achieve said goal, including send all of your soldiers to get a job done. What makes this different. 3. So just because something's not realistic, it's a gap? Godzilla's a gap because, well, a dinosaur alien with eye lasers isn't realistic. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 9, 2013 15:49:41 GMT -5
Yes, because sending every single fucking cop in all of Gotham, whether they are supposed to be working or not, into the sewers based on mere guesses and not actual evidence is a great fucking idea Bane.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 9, 2013 15:56:22 GMT -5
Also let's not forget the part where Batman flies halfway across the world in a matter of days, while stuck in the middle of a giant desert without any money whatsoever, into the most heavily secured area in the world at the time, all without being noticed at all by Bane's forces. Why exactly? Cause he's Batman...
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Post by WSS? on Dec 9, 2013 15:58:05 GMT -5
Obviously he got Superman to fly him there.
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 9, 2013 16:04:10 GMT -5
The Dark Knight Rises has plot holes they can be found on Movie plot holes. That being said I still enjoy the movie.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Dec 9, 2013 16:05:40 GMT -5
Yes, because sending every single f***ing cop in all of Gotham, whether they are supposed to be working or not, into the sewers based on mere guesses and not actual evidence is a great f***ing idea Bane. It was a matter of life or death, so yes a mere guess is reasonable. It was either stand there and die, or send your best to end a world domination. I don't see your problem with the scenario. I want a good argument here. Where's Knight to state his opinion, because I'm sure he has a better argument to help your side of the story. |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 9, 2013 16:08:01 GMT -5
Yes, because sending every single f***ing cop in all of Gotham, whether they are supposed to be working or not, into the sewers based on mere guesses and not actual evidence is a great f***ing idea Bane. Isn't coincidence something superheros are known for? |
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