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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 12:18:25 GMT -5
No. She cheated on him several episodes after she found out about the meth. Well that just makes her stupid, but I guess that's a whole other argument. Tell me again why, in your opinion, she didn't just turn Walt in right away? She didn't turn Walt in right away because (A) she still had love for him, (B) didn't want hm to go to prison and (C) didn't want to destroy Walt's relationship with his son. Minus the love part, that's pretty much the same motivation she had throughout the remainder of the series. This isn't my opinion, it's a fact decided upon by the creator of the show. I thought this was made pretty clear on a multitude of occasions, if you can point me to some scenes where it's shown that she's only staying because she wants Walt's money then I'm still waiting to see them. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 12:19:20 GMT -5
She didn't turn Walt in right away because (A) she still had love for him, (B) didn't want hm to go to prison and (C) didn't want to destroy Walt's relationship with his son. Minus the love part, that's pretty much the same motivation she had throughout the remainder of the series. I thought this was made pretty clear on a multitude of occasions, if you can point me to some scenes where it's shown that she's only staying because she wants Walt's money then I'm still waiting to see them. Dude, you can see whatever you want. She left Walt, she came back because he had money. If her BS excuse for not turning Walt in was any of the things you've listed, that makes her all the more loathesome. What, did she think that being a Meth cook wouldn't mess up Walt's relationship with his son? You say "she gave the money to Ted to avoid going to jail" so casually, as if that's not a ridiculously selfish motivation in and of itself. I believe that she's supposed to love her children. I just think she's clearly terrible at it. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 12:20:27 GMT -5
Dude, you can see whatever you want. She left Walt, she came back because he had money. Great, give me some examples. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 12:21:32 GMT -5
Dude, you can see whatever you want. She left Walt, she came back because he had money. Great, give me some examples. That IS the example. She was out of the house. She came back because she found out how much money Walt had. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 12:23:27 GMT -5
What do you mean? What scene are you even referring to?
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 12:24:45 GMT -5
What do you mean? What scene are you even referring to? I watched this series halfway through last year, like I remember exactly what episode it was. She and Walt were not living together. She came back. Walt had giant bags of cash. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 12:38:38 GMT -5
What do you mean? What scene are you even referring to? I watched this series halfway through last year, like I remember exactly what episode it was. She and Walt were not living together. She came back. Walt had giant bags of cash. So because you have a vague memory of one of the times that Skylar walked back into the house (which Walt moved out of, not Skylar) I'm supposed to take it, above all dialogue, actions and creator's statements to the contrary, as proof that she only stayed with Walt because she wanted his money? Come on man, as passionately as you've been proclaiming Skylar's cash-worshiping greed I expected you to have more than that. |
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Post by muta75 on Mar 6, 2014 13:07:24 GMT -5
why did Adam Copely (Elliot Schwartz) need to put on an american accent? couldn't a chemist from england come to america to study? that's the stuff that bothers me sometimes, not sure why..
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 13:13:34 GMT -5
I watched this series halfway through last year, like I remember exactly what episode it was. She and Walt were not living together. She came back. Walt had giant bags of cash. So because you have a vague memory of one of the times that Skylar walked back into the house (which Walt moved out of, not Skylar) I'm supposed to take it, above all dialogue, actions and creator's statements to the contrary, as proof that she only stayed with Walt because she wanted his money? Come on man, as passionately as you've been proclaiming Skylar's cash-worshiping greed I expected you to have more than that. I'm fine standing by the impression I had at the time. You're free to disagree, but that is how I saw it. I remember this because my wife and I argued about it. She clearly had a cash motivation as far as I could tell. The notion that she stuck because she "loved Walt" is utterly ridiculous to me. If anything, one of the themes of the show that I saw as it progressed was that their marriage had never been about love in the first place, because Walt is incapable of love. |
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Post by muta75 on Mar 6, 2014 13:18:54 GMT -5
because Walt is incapable of love that means Skyler doesn't love him?
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 13:21:47 GMT -5
because Walt is incapable of love that means Skyler doesn't love him? Love in an extended relationship requires both people to be invested, yes. Lust, co-dependency, and obsession can be maintained on a one-sided basis, but love cannot. Skylar is co-dependent with Walt. She doesn't love him as a husband. |
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Post by muta75 on Mar 6, 2014 13:25:24 GMT -5
because Walt is incapable of love that means Skyler doesn't love him? Love in an extended relationship requires both people to be invested, yes. Lust, co-dependency, and obsession can be maintained on a one-sided basis, but love cannot. Skylar is co-dependent with Walt. She doesn't love him as a husband. which side of your ass did you pull that out of? |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 13:48:34 GMT -5
Love in an extended relationship requires both people to be invested, yes. Lust, co-dependency, and obsession can be maintained on a one-sided basis, but love cannot. Skylar is co-dependent with Walt. She doesn't love him as a husband. which side of your ass did you pull that out of? Two sides; an understanding of psychology and 18 years of marriage. Might I recommend you start with the perennial classic "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus"? |
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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 14:06:18 GMT -5
So because you have a vague memory of one of the times that Skylar walked back into the house (which Walt moved out of, not Skylar) I'm supposed to take it, above all dialogue, actions and creator's statements to the contrary, as proof that she only stayed with Walt because she wanted his money? Come on man, as passionately as you've been proclaiming Skylar's cash-worshiping greed I expected you to have more than that. I'm fine standing by the impression I had at the time. You're free to disagree, but that is how I saw it. I don't feel that your assertion is correct and I don't understand what evidence has caused you to come to the conclusion that you have, but you're free to have your impression. Vince Gilligan has stated repeatedly that he wanted this to be a water cooler show, that he's happy when people debate its various elements, so regardless of how we feel about the details it seems we can agree that his show is a success. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 14:08:58 GMT -5
which side of your ass did you pull that out of? Two sides; an understanding of psychology and 18 years of marriage. Might I recommend you start with the perennial classic "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus"? - The guy who wrote that book had already been divorced, which is so sadly ironic that I can't help feeling glee whenever the opportunity comes to point it out. Glee and shame. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 14:13:05 GMT -5
- The guy who wrote that book had already been divorced, which is so sadly ironic that I can't help feeling glee whenever the opportunity comes to point it out. Glee and shame. Well, first of all, it's been updated and revised by a number of editors over the years, and second of all, being divorced doesn't mean you don't understand the psychological dynamic of relationships. While I don't know anything about the author specifically (I had to read the book for a class, and only remember the broad points about the differences in male and female psychology... with which I largely agreed), I would actually say that having a failed marriage could well spur one to try to achieve a better understanding of the subject. Certainly, I didn't give a rats ass about the subject until my wife was leaving me 8) |
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Post by miketheratguy on Mar 6, 2014 14:31:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that John Gray just wrote books about practical understanding and communication and that he's fallible like any other human being. And in fact I acknowledge that sometimes divorce can be the healthiest act in a relationship. I was just being facetious because really, it's funny to look at the fact that the guy who made millions of dollars writing a multitude of books about maintaining relationships had, in fact, been in a marriage that ended in divorce.  |
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Post by muta75 on Mar 6, 2014 15:34:31 GMT -5
if Skyler didn't love Walt why did she push him so hard to get chemotherapy?
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 16:20:08 GMT -5
if Skyler didn't love Walt why did she push him so hard to get chemotherapy? Co-dependence. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 6, 2014 16:21:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I know that John Gray just wrote books about practical understanding and communication and that he's fallible like any other human being. And in fact I acknowledge that sometimes divorce can be the healthiest act in a relationship. I was just being facetious because really, it's funny to look at the fact that the guy who made millions of dollars writing a multitude of books about maintaining relationships had, in fact, been in a marriage that ended in divorce. Again, I'm not sure why that's problematic for you. You wouldn't be put off by a an addict writing a book about drugs... |
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