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Post by setokaiba on Mar 3, 2014 12:43:52 GMT -5
I don't remember him putting Over Lesnar, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're one of these people who is confused and thinks that any time you lose a match to someone, you're "putting them Over." In point of fact, you can lose to someone and make them look like a complete fool (HBK vs. Hogan), or beat someone and and still put them Over. Rock/Hogan at WM18... *chuckle* Who do you think was the bigger star at that point? Who was putting Over whom, exactly? Even if we assume that Hogan "put Over" one of the most Over guys in the history of the business at the height of his popularity, which is a pretty ridiculous thing to assume... it's still fair to say that Hogan clearly benefited from doing so. Do you think they would have let that decrepit old man Main Event a card like that against just anybody? By being willing to "put Over" The Rock, Hogan kept himself in the spotlight. :no: to me i look at the rock & hogan situation as a passing the torch type of thing Do you think Rock put over Cena last year? |
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Post by muta75 on Mar 3, 2014 12:44:29 GMT -5
I don't remember him putting Over Lesnar, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you're one of these people who is confused and thinks that any time you lose a match to someone, you're "putting them Over." In point of fact, you can lose to someone and make them look like a complete fool (HBK vs. Hogan), or beat someone and and still put them Over. Rock/Hogan at WM18... *chuckle* Who do you think was the bigger star at that point? Who was putting Over whom, exactly? Even if we assume that Hogan "put Over" one of the most Over guys in the history of the business at the height of his popularity, which is a pretty ridiculous thing to assume... it's still fair to say that Hogan clearly benefited from doing so. Do you think they would have let that decrepit old man Main Event a card like that against just anybody? By being willing to "put Over" The Rock, Hogan kept himself in the spotlight. :no: to me i look at the rock & hogan situation as a passing the torch type of thing hogan didn't have the torch to pass. i'm sure he's delusional enough to think that's what he was doing, but it wasn't. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 12:46:16 GMT -5
to me i look at the rock & hogan situation as a passing the torch type of thing I could argue the point, but instead I'll simply ask you this; do you think it's possible that there is a difference between putting someone Over and passing the torch to someone? |
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Post by stewie34732 on Mar 3, 2014 12:46:28 GMT -5
:no: to me i look at the rock & hogan situation as a passing the torch type of thing Do you think Rock put over Cena last year? wwe uses everything to get cena over.......... rock , legends , make a wish , from some of my peers , stone cold sorta put over cena on his podcast |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 12:47:21 GMT -5
Do you think Rock put over Cena last year? Do you think John Cena needed to be put Over in 2012? 8) |
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Post by setokaiba on Mar 3, 2014 12:47:58 GMT -5
to me i look at the rock & hogan situation as a passing the torch type of thing I could argue the point, but instead I'll simply ask you this; do you think it's possible that there is a difference between putting someone Over and passing the torch to someone? There is but Hogan didn't even have the torch at that time Austin had took it from him years ago and Rock took it from Austin. So Rock already had the torch before he even wrestled Hogan. |
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Post by setokaiba on Mar 3, 2014 12:49:57 GMT -5
Do you think Rock put over Cena last year? Do you think John Cena needed to be put Over in 2012? 8) LOL No. Well Cena fans are decreasing he already had the torch and was put over by HHH at WM 22. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 12:50:26 GMT -5
There is but Hogan didn't even have the torch at that time Austin had took it from him years ago and Rock took it from Austin. So Rock already had the torch before he even wrestled Hogan. Let's say that's a given. I'm trying to bring Stewie along to some understanding and you're screwing it up 8) Personally I think that this whole business of "passing the torch" is something a lot of fans misunderstand. Generally the torch is passed to someone who is already quite popular. You don't want to "pass the torch" to someone who isn't going to be able to run with it. By the time of Evolution, HHH was the biggest heel in the business... but Flair was still "passing the torch" to HHH by any reasonable standard. On the flip side he also "passed the torch" to Miz a while back, and it had no real effect at all. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 12:51:28 GMT -5
Do you think John Cena needed to be put Over in 2012? 8) LOL No. Well Cena fans are decreasing he already had the torch and was put over by HHH at WM 22. Exactly. Cena got "the torch" several years earlier, and certainly was in no need of being put Over. If anything, it was Punk who put Cena Over most recently by making him look great when the fans were turning on him en masse. |
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Post by stewie34732 on Mar 3, 2014 12:56:54 GMT -5
to me i look at the rock & hogan situation as a passing the torch type of thing I could argue the point, but instead I'll simply ask you this; do you think it's possible that there is a difference between putting someone Over and passing the torch to someone? to me yea , i look at it where its like your the next chosen guy to cary this company or what ever the case may be , on your back & take it to the top |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 12:58:26 GMT -5
I could argue the point, but instead I'll simply ask you this; do you think it's possible that there is a difference between putting someone Over and passing the torch to someone? to me yea , i look at it where its like your the next chosen guy to cary this company or what ever the case may be , on your back & take it to the top Okay, then how does the term "passing the torch" fit for WM18? The Rock had already been "the guy" in the company, a couple of years before. He wasn't being groomed to carry the company to the next level at that point, he'd already served that role. At WM18, HHH was on the rise and would be "the guy" in the company for the next few years... |
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Post by setokaiba on Mar 3, 2014 12:59:26 GMT -5
Do you think Rock put over Cena last year? wwe uses everything to get cena over.......... rock , legends , make a wish , from some of my peers , stone cold sorta put over cena on his podcast The peck of Cena popularity was in 2006-2008 and he didn't need guys make a wish, legends, or even Rock to help get a crowd reaction. By the time WWE did Cena vs Rock, Cena is at the point where he shouldn't be winning WWE titles or even main eventing WMs. Cena didn't need Rock to get him over because Cena time is over(there is a pun in here somewhere) |
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Post by stewie34732 on Mar 3, 2014 13:17:47 GMT -5
to me yea , i look at it where its like your the next chosen guy to cary this company or what ever the case may be , on your back & take it to the top Okay, then how does the term "passing the torch" fit for WM18? The Rock had already been "the guy" in the company, a couple of years before. He wasn't being groomed to carry the company to the next level at that point, he'd already served that role. At WM18, HHH was on the rise and would be "the guy" in the company for the next few years... you have a point :thumbsup: but brock was the upcoming as well too right? |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Mar 3, 2014 13:20:37 GMT -5
Well theres putting someone over, passing the torch, and padding your legacy. The Rock losing to Cena is just a padding of his legacy in terms of kayfabe. At this point now, there is no one left to beat to make him (again in kayfabe) the greatest star ever beyond pinning Taker at Mania.
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Post by stewie34732 on Mar 3, 2014 13:21:50 GMT -5
wwe uses everything to get cena over.......... rock , legends , make a wish , from some of my peers , stone cold sorta put over cena on his podcast The peck of Cena popularity was in 2006-2008 and he didn't need guys make a wish, legends, or even Rock to help get a crowd reaction. By the time WWE did Cena vs Rock, Cena is at the point where he shouldn't be winning WWE titles or even main eventing WMs. Cena didn't need Rock to get him over because Cena time is over(there is a pun in here somewhere) i shouldve been more specific but i was mainly talking about now & the past couple of years but yea i agree 100% |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2014 13:22:47 GMT -5
wwe uses everything to get cena over.......... rock , legends , make a wish , from some of my peers , stone cold sorta put over cena on his podcast The peck of Cena popularity was in 2006-2008 and he didn't need guys make a wish, legends, or even Rock to help get a crowd reaction. By the time WWE did Cena vs Rock, Cena is at the point where he shouldn't be winning WWE titles or even main eventing WMs. Cena didn't need Rock to get him over because Cena time is over(there is a pun in here somewhere) Man you can't see John Cena in these days. (there is a pun also.) |
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Post by muta75 on Mar 3, 2014 13:24:07 GMT -5
i like Brock but he was never "the guy", he never wanted to be, he didn't love the business enough.
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 13:25:37 GMT -5
you have a point :thumbsup: but brock was the upcoming as well too right? I don't remember the Hogan/Lesnar stuff, as I already said... but given Hogan's established pattern, I'm fine with assuming that Hogan was either under the impression that he was going to go Over Lesnar later on to make himself look good, or was on his way out the door anyway. |
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Post by wildknight on Mar 3, 2014 13:26:28 GMT -5
i like Brock but he was never "the guy", he never wanted to be, he didn't love the business enough. Oh, he was "the guy" alright. The WWE handed him the keys to the kingdom from day one. They made everything all about Lesnar. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Mar 3, 2014 13:27:44 GMT -5
i like Brock but he was never "the guy", he never wanted to be, he didn't love the business enough. Yes but clearly Lesnar was being promoted to be the guy. He just didn't love the business and when he left, they had to go with the safer guys. |
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