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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 11:45:25 GMT -5
I don't mind him in an appropriate role. He's got enough charisma to be a "backstage character" or even a guy who wrestles occasionally but mostly participates in stories... I just think this whole "Kane needs to be a monster again" mentality is so old and so tired and so bereft of any understanding of where Kane is at in his career that it's ludicrous. have him "wrestle"? throat shots. big boot then a chokeslam? that's all we've seen from him. i never got the charismatic vibe off him. he showed more charisma as the no talk monster IMHO Right, I didn't really mean "wrestle"... I meant "show up to beat people up because within the narrative of the WWE, it's been established that he's a big scary dude who beats people up." I'll stand by his charisma though. He's a smart performer. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 11:46:30 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if Orton cheats to win the title match, then Cena wins the Rumble for the third time, crapping all over Austin's record, and then wins the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania. Cena > Austin all day, every day as far as I'm concerned (with the possible exception of dues-paying), so I'm fine with him destroying Austin's record. Austin shouldn't have that record anyway. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 11:47:25 GMT -5
have him "wrestle"? throat shots. big boot then a chokeslam? that's all we've seen from him. i never got the charismatic vibe off him. he showed more charisma as the no talk monster IMHO Right, I didn't really mean "wrestle"... I meant "show up to beat people up because within the narrative of the WWE, it's been established that he's a big scary dude who beats people up." I'll stand by his charisma though. He's a smart performer. fair enough, i just remember the lights go red and the pyro hits...the audience reacting..those days are long gone.. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 11:51:44 GMT -5
Right, I didn't really mean "wrestle"... I meant "show up to beat people up because within the narrative of the WWE, it's been established that he's a big scary dude who beats people up." I'll stand by his charisma though. He's a smart performer. fair enough, i just remember the lights go red and the pyro hits...the audience reacting..those days are long gone.. I agree, there's nothing left of the monster. That's why I think he works now as a backstage character. He's very articulate, he knows how to use words to get people going. |
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Post by WSS? on Jan 14, 2014 11:51:54 GMT -5
It wouldn't surprise me if Orton cheats to win the title match, then Cena wins the Rumble for the third time, crapping all over Austin's record, and then wins the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania. isn't Cena "wrestling" for the title at RR? if so how can he win the RR match? Is there some sort of rule against participating in the RR after a title match? I've never heard of it. It wouldn't surprise me if Orton cheats to win the title match, then Cena wins the Rumble for the third time, crapping all over Austin's record, and then wins the WWE World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestlemania. Cena > Austin all day, every day as far as I'm concerned (with the possible exception of dues-paying), so I'm fine with him destroying Austin's record. Austin shouldn't have that record anyway. I hate Austin too, but it'd still be disrespectful towards legends. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 11:54:31 GMT -5
has there ever been a guy in both the night's title match and the Rumble itself? i can't remember a time where it's happened, and remembering is what i'm good at..
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 11:59:14 GMT -5
I hate Austin too, but it'd still be disrespectful towards legends. Cena is a Legend, and most records should be broken at some point. The only record in wrestling that should stand forever (or at least until there's someone REALLY worthy of breaking it) is Ric Flair's number of titles. Everything else is negotiable. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 12:04:36 GMT -5
I hate Austin too, but it'd still be disrespectful towards legends. Cena is a Legend, and most records should be broken at some point. The only record in wrestling that should stand forever (or at least until there's someone REALLY worthy of breaking it) is Ric Flair's number of titles. Everything else is negotiable. Flair has some title "losses" that aren't recognized by the NWA. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 12:16:01 GMT -5
i was reading up DAN SEVERN!!!!!! has the 2nd longest NWA title reign in HISTORY!!?? :headbang:
EDITED for CORRECTION: he has the 3rd longest..still :headbang:
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 12:24:13 GMT -5
Cena is a Legend, and most records should be broken at some point. The only record in wrestling that should stand forever (or at least until there's someone REALLY worthy of breaking it) is Ric Flair's number of titles. Everything else is negotiable. Flair has some title "losses" that aren't recognized by the NWA. I know, J.R. thinks it's funny to bring it up all the time. He's officially a 14 time Champion (I think), but it's actually over 17 |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 12:24:47 GMT -5
i was reading up DAN SEVERN!!!!!! has the 2nd longest NWA title reign in HISTORY!!?? :headbang: EDITED for CORRECTION: he has the 3rd longest..still :headbang: ... I cannot accept that. That's... ridiculous. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 12:26:59 GMT -5
Flair has some title "losses" that aren't recognized by the NWA. I know, J.R. thinks it's funny to bring it up all the time. He's officially a 14 time Champion (I think), but it's actually over 17 17 from the info i gathered and over 20 with the unrecognized changes... |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 12:29:21 GMT -5
I know, J.R. thinks it's funny to bring it up all the time. He's officially a 14 time Champion (I think), but it's actually over 17 17 from the info i gathered and over 20 with the unrecognized changes... Even better. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 12:30:59 GMT -5
i was reading up DAN SEVERN!!!!!! has the 2nd longest NWA title reign in HISTORY!!?? :headbang: EDITED for CORRECTION: he has the 3rd longest..still :headbang: ... I cannot accept that. That's... ridiculous. longest singular title reigns in NWA history Lou Thesz 1941 days Dory Funk Jr. 1563 days DAN "THE PIG" SEVERN 1479 DAYS!!!! could be the fabulous moolah effect, but still... |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 12:34:26 GMT -5
I didn't even know that "The Beast" was in wrestling that long, much less that he held a title that long.
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Post by muta75 on Jan 14, 2014 12:37:25 GMT -5
I didn't even know that "The PIG" was in wrestling that long, much less that he held a title that long. fixed it he's been getting ri(t)ch on promoters for years, both pro wrestling and mma. hell some of his mma matches were bigger works than anything he did as a pro wrestler... |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 14, 2014 13:46:29 GMT -5
I hate Austin too, but it'd still be disrespectful towards legends. Cena is a Legend, and most records should be broken at some point. The only record in wrestling that should stand forever (or at least until there's someone REALLY worthy of breaking it) is Ric Flair's number of titles. Everything else is negotiable. I have to agree 100% with WK here. I hate Ric Flair, but that record is THE record that should never be broken. Ric Flair deserves that record. I also believe that Kane's 11 man Royal Rumble elimination record should never be broken for 2 reasons: 1. I'm a nostalgic lover of Kane, I'll admit. 2. Kane never really got the push I think he deserved, so holding a record like that kind of (but not really) makes up for it in my opinion, lol. But, I also agree with what WK said earlier. Kane hasn't "wrestled" in a few years now. He should stay with WWE, but not as a competitor, more so as an angle worker. Somebody that makes feuds...well, better. |
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Post by TomJohns on Jan 14, 2014 13:51:24 GMT -5
Just an idea, I'm watching Raw now...
Do you think HHH is gonna eliminate or play a role in the elimination of Punk at the Royal Rumble?
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Post by wildknight on Jan 14, 2014 13:58:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised. They're obviously setting up a HHH/Punk thing (again), which is really stupid IMO. HHH needs to just stay out of the ring.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 14, 2014 14:04:58 GMT -5
I once again agree with WK..
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