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Post by setokaiba on May 12, 2014 15:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 16:04:49 GMT -5
Seto's reaction after he realizes he's American:  I'm not bothered by it at all. Everyone knows we have a weight problem. Mexico is actually far worse off in that department than we are. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 16:10:46 GMT -5
I'm not annoying those problems but Americas weight problem become the discussion here. Besides being fat is a serious issue, as serious as those, no but it is a issues that needs to be addressed. I agree the middle class is shit right now(hell we don't even have one. It's pretty much the rich and the poor at this point) and yes douches need to pay their fair share in taxes. Let me put it to you this way; you find me any culture that was ever shown to be in decline because people were fat. Even one. For each one you find, I'll find you three cultures that went into fatal decline for each of the following reasons; loss of manufacturing base, loss of national/cultural pride, onerous taxation policies, overly burdensome welfare requirements, and class warfare. "People are fat" is not a problem that puts cultures in decline. In fact, it's only a problem at all if the culture in question has, for some reason, decided that everyone's health is everyone else's problem 8) The Roman empire was fairly well known for its gluttonous citizens. Not that it has to do with why the empire fell but this particular activity definitely peaked during the start of the Roman Empire's downfall. |
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Post by wildknight on May 12, 2014 16:27:32 GMT -5
The Roman empire was fairly well known for its gluttonous citizens. Not that it has to do with why the empire fell but this particular activity definitely peaked during the start of the Roman Empire's downfall. Uhhh. No. In point of fact widespread starvation was a major problem throughout the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. One of the best reasons to join the Roman Army was to get fed. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 16:41:50 GMT -5
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Post by wildknight on May 12, 2014 16:46:55 GMT -5
... you do understand the difference between widespread public obesity and a tiny percentage of the population (wealthy people) consuming massive amounts of resources, right? Furthermore, I'm going to guess you didn't actually read the articles you posted, or at least not the first one, which actually provides no evidence whatsoever that "gluttony" actually contributed to the decline of the Empire, but rather simply pontificates on how bad and wasteful it was for the wealthy to behave that way, and then tenuously claims that obviously this behavior must have helped to bring about the end of the Empire. ... it also suggests that because the "fashionable" people behaved this way, everyone else must have been following suit, which is pure bunk. The fact that the people of Rome were starving is well-established, and a huge part of why the "bread and circuses" tactic worked. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 16:50:58 GMT -5
Furthermore, I'm going to guess you didn't actually read the articles you posted, or at least not the first one, which actually provides no evidence whatsoever that "gluttony" actually contributed to the decline of the Empire, but rather simply pontificates on how bad and wasteful it was for the wealthy to behave that way, and then tenuously claims that obviously this behavior must have helped to bring about the end of the Empire. I read the second one and scanned over the first. |
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Post by wildknight on May 12, 2014 17:35:02 GMT -5
I read the second one and scanned over the first. Well go "scan over" the Western European famine of 400 - 800 A.D. which caused a 90% decline of the Roman population. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 17:45:50 GMT -5
I read the second one and scanned over the first. Well go "scan over" the Western European famine of 400 - 800 A.D. which caused a 90% decline of the Roman population. Could you provide some links? So far I've found it mentioned on Wikipedia, a Facebook post, and a site quoting Facebook. Also searching "Roman Famine" yielded even fewer results, with the closest being a mention of a famine several hundred years earlier than the one you mentioned. |
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Post by wildknight on May 12, 2014 18:03:19 GMT -5
Well go "scan over" the Western European famine of 400 - 800 A.D. which caused a 90% decline of the Roman population. Could you provide some links? So far I've found it mentioned on Wikipedia, a Facebook post, and a site quoting Facebook. Also searching "Roman Famine" yielded even fewer results, with the closest being a mention of a famine several hundred years earlier than the one you mentioned. That's an interesting question... it's mentioned in virtually every history book on the subject of classical and/or medieval history (being an important part of the transition between the two), so I've never really had to source it online. I only pulled it up on wikipedia to get the years |
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Post by setokaiba on May 12, 2014 18:10:32 GMT -5
Yeah the only thing I can find on it that's not in a book is Wiki. The bubonic plague is a lot easier to find and played in role in destroying Rome as well(then again it destroy a great of Europe.
I don't know if you gotten into the history of Rome yet in school but they touch on it and the plague.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 18:11:14 GMT -5
Could you provide some links? So far I've found it mentioned on Wikipedia, a Facebook post, and a site quoting Facebook. Also searching "Roman Famine" yielded even fewer results, with the closest being a mention of a famine several hundred years earlier than the one you mentioned. That's an interesting question... it's mentioned in virtually every history book on the subject of classical and/or medieval history (being an important part of the transition between the two), so I've never really had to source it online. I only pulled it up on wikipedia to get the years Just read through the chapter in my world history book on the decline and fall of the Roman Empire and couldn't find this particular famine mentioned there either. The closest thing I found was the following sentence "Plague wiped out one tenth of the population." They however label this as a theory, so... |
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Post by wildknight on May 12, 2014 18:22:00 GMT -5
Google search "Western European famine 400 - 800 AD"
Also, your middle school World History textbook solidly disappoints me.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 18:23:30 GMT -5
Also, your middle school World History textbook solidly disappoints me. World History is actually a senior class here. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 18:26:14 GMT -5
Google search "Western European famine 400 - 800 AD" Okay, so I found an eBook that mentions it(Abruptly). Nothing else on the famine though besides the things I already mentioned |
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Post by wildknight on May 12, 2014 18:26:57 GMT -5
Also, your middle school World History textbook solidly disappoints me. World History is actually a senior class here. Uh huh. It's still an incredibly disappointing text book that ignores the period of climate change and famine that struck Western Europe for 400 years and resulted in millions of deaths, and is also well documented in both the contemporary histories of the period and almost every examination of the period printed in modern times. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 12, 2014 18:36:54 GMT -5
World History is actually a senior class here. Uh huh. It's still an incredibly disappointing text book that ignores the period of climate change and famine that struck Western Europe for 400 years and resulted in millions of deaths, and is also well documented in both the contemporary histories of the period and almost every examination of the period printed in modern times. For some reason I found quite a bit more on the climate change during that time than the famine it caused. Also my textbook is the standard one given to the majority of schools. Or at least all of the schools I've been to, and I've been to schools in Mississippi, Ohio, Belguim, and Arkansas. Also that's five schools in Mississippi and two schools in Arkansas. |
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Post by setokaiba on May 12, 2014 18:41:40 GMT -5
World History is actually a senior class here. Uh huh. It's still an incredibly disappointing text book that ignores the period of climate change and famine that struck Western Europe for 400 years and resulted in millions of deaths, and is also well documented in both the contemporary histories of the period and almost every examination of the period printed in modern times. Seems like something not worth looking at  |
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Post by WSS? on May 13, 2014 0:16:08 GMT -5
Gee, this Roman history discussion sure is funny.
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