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Post by WhoCares? on Jun 29, 2014 15:55:55 GMT -5
Also; Cena is NOT a good wrestler. He's a perfectly mediocre wrestler. "Good" indicates better than average skills, which Cena does not have. Most notably; Cena lacks the understanding of ring psychology that previous top guys had. Hmm, good enough? Not necessarily main event, but midcard maybe? |
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Post by WSS? on Jun 29, 2014 15:57:09 GMT -5
Anything, ANYTHING but that swat team reject uniform. "Naked" Mideon gear? You think Reigns has an issue with getting jumped by female fans now, that would amplify it by twenty. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 15:57:09 GMT -5
Also; Cena is NOT a good wrestler. He's a perfectly mediocre wrestler. "Good" indicates better than average skills, which Cena does not have. Most notably; Cena lacks the understanding of ring psychology that previous top guys had. Hmm, good enough? Not necessarily main event, but midcard maybe? ... most of the midcard guys are better than most of the Main Event guys LOL |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jun 29, 2014 15:59:25 GMT -5
Hmm, good enough? Not necessarily main event, but midcard maybe? ... most of the midcard guys are better than most of the Main Event guys LOL Ok....... that's true. How about lower midcard? |
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Post by WSS? on Jun 29, 2014 16:00:12 GMT -5
... most of the midcard guys are better than most of the Main Event guys LOL Ok....... that's true. How about lower midcard? Damien Sandow is lower midcard. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jun 29, 2014 16:00:38 GMT -5
You have to have very good wrestling skills to be mid-card.
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 16:01:13 GMT -5
You have to have very good wrestling skills to be mid-card. Not necessarily; Rusev, Big-E, etc 8) |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jun 29, 2014 16:01:48 GMT -5
Ok....... that's true. How about lower midcard? Damien Sandow is lower midcard. ........ Jobber? |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jun 29, 2014 16:02:28 GMT -5
You have to have very good wrestling skills to be mid-card. Not necessarily; Rusev, Big-E, etc 8) ...or have the muscle mass of Arnold Swarzenegger. |
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Post by WSS? on Jun 29, 2014 16:02:35 GMT -5
Damien Sandow is lower midcard. ........ Jobber? Tyson Kidd is a jobber. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 16:03:25 GMT -5
I'm fine with Cena being a "Main Event guy" Lots and lots of "Main Event Guys" have had far worse ring skills. My problem with Cena is that, from a business perspective, I don't understand why the WWE keeps pushing him on an audience that clearly got tired of him. His biggest recent surge in popularity was during his "bad year" when it seemed like he couldn't win to save his life. How did that not register with creative and the bookers?
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 16:04:34 GMT -5
Tyson Kidd is still an unbelievably entertaining performer. His match with Adrian Neville was the best match in the entire WWE that week. Unfortunately, wrestling fans hate wrestling.
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Post by WhoCares? on Jun 29, 2014 16:04:58 GMT -5
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jun 29, 2014 16:05:30 GMT -5
Tyson Kidd is still an unbelievably entertaining performer. His match with Adrian Neville was the best match in the entire WWE that week. Unfortunately, wrestling fans hate wrestling. Can you imagine how talented his children will be!? The children of Natalya Neidhart and Tyson Kidd!? |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 16:06:57 GMT -5
Speaking of NXT, have you guys been watching? The Vaudevillains are the best thing on WWE TV right now. Not necessarily that they're the best ringworkers as such, but certainly they've got the most entertaining gimmick & matches. They'll never make it the Main Roster with what they're doing, but man... is watching them a trip. It's like back in the day when wrestling was about, y'know, fun...
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 16:07:15 GMT -5
Tyson Kidd is still an unbelievably entertaining performer. His match with Adrian Neville was the best match in the entire WWE that week. Unfortunately, wrestling fans hate wrestling. Can you imagine how talented his children will be!? The children of Natalya Neidhart and Tyson Kidd!? They'll probably all hate wrestling, or something. |
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Post by prestige85 on Jun 29, 2014 16:08:21 GMT -5
People complain about Cena only having 5 moves, but Roman Reigns only has 3. Also, Roman Reigns promos are very lacklustre, at least with Cena's promos they are in the 'so awful it's hilarious' category. 1) MOST Main Event guys have a very limited arsenal. This argument is not only BS, it's tired. Main Event guys trim their arsenal down to a "greatest hits list." That is just how it is. It's also a fact that the NUMBER of moves is not nearly as important as how well those moves are executed, and the worker's understanding of ring psychology so that he can string them together in an entertaining way. And Reigns has more than 3 moves. THAT SAID I actually agree that his ringwork since coming up to the main roster is very limited. He's capable of so much more, and I'm disappointed in him. I'm hopeful that when he has more full length singles matches, he'll go back to his varied offense from the previous periods in his career. He really is/was an excellent worker with a great understanding of ring psychology. Unfortunately I doubt that will be the case. If he succeeds by doing only a little, he'll have little reason to go back to doing more. 2) I simply flatly disagree with you about his promo skills. The guy isn't outstanding, but compared to Rollins, Reigns is the second coming of The Rock. Whenever I've watched any of his one on one matches he only uses the jumping clothesline, Superman punch (not that different from the clothesline) and spear. These three moves always happen in succession at the end of the match after Roman has spent the first 33/4 of the match being beaten down despite being a "tough guy". I can think of three other moves he will do rarely and they are a Samoan drop, that apron kick, and the back suplex transitioned into a side slam. None of these moves wow me in terms of execution, granted he's done a few sick spears but nothing about him or his moveset stands out to me. If he's capable of doing great things in the ring then why did WWE put him with two other people who would wrestle most of the matches for him then tag him in at the end so he could eecute the Superman punch and spear for the win? |
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jun 29, 2014 16:08:44 GMT -5
Speaking of NXT, have you guys been watching? The Vaudevillains are the best thing on WWE TV right now. Not necessarily that they're the best ringworkers as such, but certainly they've got the most entertaining gimmick & matches. They'll never make it the Main Roster with what they're doing, but man... is watching them a trip. It's like back in the day when wrestling was about, y'know, fun... Yes they will be a main roster jobber team though. I loved Aiden English but now he is just golden. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 29, 2014 16:11:15 GMT -5
Speaking of NXT, have you guys been watching? The Vaudevillains are the best thing on WWE TV right now. Not necessarily that they're the best ringworkers as such, but certainly they've got the most entertaining gimmick & matches. They'll never make it the Main Roster with what they're doing, but man... is watching them a trip. It's like back in the day when wrestling was about, y'know, fun... Yes they will be a main roster jobber team though. I loved Aiden English but now he is just golden. I was never much of a fan of English until now. I never had any issue with him, I just thought his "singer" gimmick was pretty stupid. It needed something more... and now he's got it. |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jun 29, 2014 16:11:27 GMT -5
Speaking of NXT, have you guys been watching? The Vaudevillains are the best thing on WWE TV right now. Not necessarily that they're the best ringworkers as such, but certainly they've got the most entertaining gimmick & matches. They'll never make it the Main Roster with what they're doing, but man... is watching them a trip. It's like back in the day when wrestling was about, y'know, fun... They are very entertaining. However, I haven't seen enough of either of them to determine their in ring ability. |
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