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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 13:39:33 GMT -5
First off... how is this not already a thing?
I realize season four just wrapped a few weeks ago, but why can't we still talk about, am I right? As a GoT fanatic, I figured it'd be pretty cool to gather the opinions of other watchers. The biggest thing that I can stress is that this is a thread for the SHOW, meaning don't be a dick and post spoilers if you've read ahead in the books or know of something from the books. I, myself, am reading A Song of Ice and Fire and I'd rather not have both a book series and its television adaptation spoiled. However, I do warn any new watchers that there will indeed be spoilers from the entire show after this sentence, so read with caution.
To start stuff off, I'll go with the basics. My favorite will probably always be Tyrion Lannister, closely followed by Eddard Stark and Tywin Lannister. I was also the biggest Daenerys fan up until I lost all respect for her when she slept with that overly cliché asshat, Daario. To be honest, I love a whole bunch of characters other than those top three, like Arya, Sansa, Baelish, Varys, Jorah, Drogo, Robb, Jon, Sandor, Brienne, Pod and more and more that would take ages to list. Other than Dany, I don't think there's a character I dislike. Am I the only who believes season four was near perfect, other than Dany's bullshit with Daario? I absolutely loved it.
Anyway, I'm hoping this thread picks up. Get to work, fellow GoT watchers.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 14:58:44 GMT -5
I still have yet to watch the fourth season but so far I find it to be a very entertaining show. The show is filled to the brim with great actors(With a few exceptions, but I'll get to those two later) and has very high production values. It's also exceptionally good at sticking to the story in the books. The books are very well written with great characters. My personal favorite in the show is Tywin Lannister, followed closely by Davos Seaworth. My favorite in the books is Tyrion Lannister, followed closely again by Davos Seaworth.
There are two characters in the show however that I absolutely despise, even being tempted to fast forward though their scenes, and that's primarily due to the actor playing them. The worst of the two is Shae who is not only played by a terrible actress, but one that also succeeds at being incredibly annoying every single moment she's on screen. The other one is Jon Snow. My dislike for him has absolutely nothing to do with his character, as I liked his character very much in the books, it has everything to do with his actor. He's just so bland and boring. There's absolutely nothing entertaining about him and his scenes with Ygritte just end up being completely awkward, for all the wrong reasons.
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 15:08:34 GMT -5
I still have yet to watch the fourth season but so far I find it to be a very entertaining show. The show is filled to the brim with great actors(With a few exceptions, but I'll get to those two later) and has very high production values. It's also exceptionally good at sticking to the story in the books. The books are very well written with great characters. My personal favorite in the show is Tywin Lannister, followed closely by Davos Seaworth. My favorite in the books is Tyrion Lannister, followed closely again by Davos Seaworth. There are two characters in the show however that I absolutely despise, even being tempted to fast forward though their scenes, and that's primarily due to the actor playing them. The worst of the two is Shae who is not only played by a terrible actress, but one that also succeeds at being incredibly annoying every single moment she's on screen. The other one is Jon Snow. My dislike for him has absolutely nothing to do with his character, as I liked his character very much in the books, it has everything to do with his actor. He's just so bland and boring. There's absolutely nothing entertaining about him and his scenes with Ygritte just end up being completely awkward, for all the wrong reasons. My favorites in the books (so far) is Tyrion, followed Jaime. Jaime and Tyrion's POV chapters tend to be the ones that will always get me flipping pages like nothing. Arya and Sansa do that as well, but not as often. Davos isn't half bad either. Shae is a bitch. That is all. I love Jon in the show more than I do in the book. Maybe that's because I've got a bit of crush on Kit Harrington, but I still find him to be a great character. I love what Kit does on screen, and I think he makes the character more interesting. His scenes with Ygritte are some of my favorite in both the books and the show. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 15:26:05 GMT -5
The fourth season of the show is actually probably the best. I've read much of the books and I know what happens to all of the major characters, so I knew going into this last season what to expect. All the same, I was both surprised and intrigued by how well they pulled it all off. The third book in the series is basically everyone's favorite and with good reason: It's the "Empire Strikes Back" of the series, the one where everything changes and everything else goes to hell. Season 4 was more or less the second half of the third book, and it delivered on pretty much everything that I wanted to. Oberyn Martell was great. As always Tywin and Tyrion were great. The Hound and Arya came off exactly as I hoped they would, and even characters like Brienne got extra (and surprising, and surprisingly entertaining) face time. In short, season four was everything that I'd hoped it would be. However one thing did bother me. There was something- actually, an incredibly MAJOR something- that happens at the very end of the book which was completely ignored on the show. A lot of fans are understandably upset and perplexed about this decision, but we'll have to see how it goes.
I'm very curious to see how the next season plays out. For those who don't know (spoiler of the book structure ahead, but not actual plot points) books 4 and 5 were controversial among fans because rather than jump back and forth between all of the major characters, as he had in the previous books, author George R.R. Martin chose to focus each of the two books on roughly one half of the characters. This meant that Jon Snow, for example, was all over book 4 but had little if anything to do with book 5. As a result many fans (including myself) consider these two books to be the weakest, book 4 in particular, and that's the book that's being covered by the show next year. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Fortunately I have no doubt that the show will ignore the book's unique structure and simply jump back and forth between all the characters, like it always has, so it should be better than the source material.
Favorite characters: Tyrion (natch), Tywin, Jamie, Arya, Petyr, Ned, The Hound, Jorah.
Favorite season: Either 1 or 4. I love Ned Stark and Sean Bean, and season 1 was completely his. At the same time it also had a much simpler, more straightforward dynamic that I really loved: Ned's trying to unravel a mystery, and then all hell breaks loose. It's the prologue to an epic story and it's almost "quiet" and complacent in its way, which I really like. I miss characters like Khal Drogo and Robert Baratheon. Joffrey was just coming into his own as a sniveling bastard sociopath and the Stark children were all more or less together. The first season was really strong.
Season 2 was good, but to me it was kind of a transitional season. In addition, the show's famous "sexploitation" was really becoming apparent by this time. As Knight and I have discussed, I'm by no means a prude- I love naked women- but when I'm trying to get into a compelling drama about medieval politics it's really distracting when people are giving each other blowjobs and shit. Anyway good season, but not as strong to me as the first. At the same time it was really Tyrion's strongest season, and that was a lot of fun. Then along came 3, and it was immensely satisfying. Aside from a few minor changes the important beats were hit and important new characters were introduced, and the drama and treachery continued to escalate. Finally we reached season 4, and to me every single episode was just about perfect. It was a season of moving chess pieces, of calculation and character, and even the sexploitation was almost completely dropped. I think that season 4 was the most confident. I loved it, and it may be hard to beat.
Hottest chick: Ygritte. Duh.
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 15:27:47 GMT -5
I love Jon in the show more than I do in the book. Maybe that's because I've got a bit of crush on Kit Harrington, but I still find him to be a great character. I love what Kit does on screen, and I think he makes the character more interesting. His scenes with Ygritte are some of my favorite in both the books and the show. My understanding is that all the ladies (and apparently some of the gents) crush on Jon Snow. On the other hand I remember a poll where Cersei, of all people, was voted the most desirable female. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 15:28:22 GMT -5
Hottest chick: Ygritte. Duh. Agreed. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 15:30:13 GMT -5
Hottest chick: Ygritte. Duh. Agreed. Ah. You see it too. Well done. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 15:31:14 GMT -5
Ah. You see it too. Well done. Danny is a very close second though. |
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 15:35:16 GMT -5
miketheratguy's post is too bloody long for me to quote, but this is toward him. I know what you're talking about when you said they excluded a big plot point. All I know is what it is. Other than that, I know little of it, so, until I progress on in the books, it doesn't bother me. A friend of mine was telling me that he's scared over the next few seasons because he said the next two books just don't have those same climax points as the others, and in addition with what you just said, I'm a bit worried. I love everyone you put on your list for characters. For hottest women, I'm sorry, but Margaery's got Ygritte, and so does Dany.
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 15:47:01 GMT -5
Ah. You see it too. Well done. Danny is a very close second though. I actually never was that attracted to Dany. I like the actress herself because I think she looks better as a brunette, but for some reason Dany is just too vanilla to me. Attractive, sure- I wouldn't turn her down for a date- but her attractiveness is plain. Ygritte's face has character. Margarey is drop-dead gorgeous but has sort of weird pancake boobs that I'm not a big fan of. miketheratguy's post is too bloody long for me to quote, but this is toward him. I know what you're talking about when you said they excluded a big plot point. All I know is what it is. Other than that, I know little of it, so, until I progress on in the books, it doesn't bother me. A friend of mine was telling me that he's scared over the next few seasons because he said the next two books just don't have those same climax points as the others, and in addition with what you just said, I'm a bit worried. I love everyone you put on your list for characters. For hottest women, I'm sorry, but Margaery's got Ygritte, and so does Dany. Your friend is right. The next two books (more so the first, book 4) don't have anything to quite measure the gravity of the Red Wedding or some of the things that were in this last season. It does have dramatic changes- without giving anything away I would say that I found Cersei's storyline to be the most compelling- and you're going to see characters interacting with people you've never seen them interact with before. Basically the next two books change a lot of the landscape of Westeros but in a way that's far more subtle and much less shocking. They're still interesting, but they're very much transitional books. Awesome stuff happens, yes, but the BANG BANG BANG!!! of the last couple seasons most certainly slows down. The thing at the end of book 3 isn't touched upon very much in the next two books- only a few scenes come from it, in fact- but it's clearly setting up something major, and it itself is major all on its own, so I'm utterly confused as to why the show writers chose to completely ignore it. It could still show up, but in my opinion it would have been the best cliffhanger ending to season 4 (and the actual ending of the book, after all). We'll see what happens. |
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 15:53:00 GMT -5
miketheratguy's post is too bloody long for me to quote, but this is toward him. I know what you're talking about when you said they excluded a big plot point. All I know is what it is. Other than that, I know little of it, so, until I progress on in the books, it doesn't bother me. A friend of mine was telling me that he's scared over the next few seasons because he said the next two books just don't have those same climax points as the others, and in addition with what you just said, I'm a bit worried. I love everyone you put on your list for characters. For hottest women, I'm sorry, but Margaery's got Ygritte, and so does Dany. Your friend is right. The next two books (more so the first, book 4) don't have anything to quite measure the gravity of the Red Wedding or some of the things that were in this last season. It does have dramatic changes- without giving anything away I would say that I found Cersei's storyline to be the most compelling- and you're going to see characters interacting with people you've never seen them interact with before. Basically the next two books change a lot of the landscape of Westeros but in a way that's far more subtle and much less shocking. They're still interesting, but they're very much transitional books. Awesome stuff happens, yes, but the BANG BANG BANG!!! of the last couple seasons most certainly slows down. The thing at the end of book 3 isn't touched upon very much in the next two books- only a few scenes come from it, in fact- but it's clearly setting up something major, and it itself is major all on its own, so I'm utterly confused as to why the show writers chose to completely ignore it. It could still show up, but in my opinion it would have been the best cliffhanger ending to season 4 (and the actual ending of the book, after all). We'll see what happens. I forgot about Cersei. She's over Ygritte, as well. But, there's no denying Ygritte's pretty fucking hot. She could enlighten me anytime (that was bad, I know...) And, going by the books, the show has no quarrel with rearranging where parts of the plot shows up. Take, for example, the monologue Oberyn had while in the cell with Tyrion this season. In the books, that's the first thing he talked to Tyrion about as they rode to King's Landing. I'm quite happy they decided to have the last two scenes go to Tyrion and Arya. Arya's scene especially was a spine chiller. Up until his bit in episode ten of this season, I was truly bored of Bran, both in show and in the book. His stuff (so far) just seems so stale. Maybe it's the supernatural aspect that I don't enjoy. I love the political wars and the badass fighting scenes we get from the other characters and scenes that makes me expect more from his end. |
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Post by Rush on Jul 13, 2014 16:07:23 GMT -5
Ygritte is my little red robin. Love that girl
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 16:12:38 GMT -5
Oh believe me, everyone's tired of Bran. It's not the fault of the show, his character just doesn't really do anything interesting for long stretches of the books so the show just kind of forgets about him. I think GRRM even realized how boring he and Rickon are (remember Rickon? I mean for fuck's sake he basically just left the story because he was so useless). Everyone loves Hodor, and the Reed kids are interesting enough, but poor Bran is basically just a plot point looking for a scene so far. I won't spoil what happens to him next, but I will say that it doesn't really interest me any more than his storyline already has. Like you, I think I just don't care for the overtly mystical stuff.
The show definitely does rearrange the order and setting of a lot of scenes. I don't know if you're aware but the stuff that happens with the Hound, and how he winds up in the situation that he does, didn't involve that other character at all. His character gets to the point that it's at right now as a result of his entering the inn which happened like halfway through the season. Though I really like the idea of them having this other character interact with the Hound, and it was one of the season's most memorable scenes, it was definitely a major departure from the source material. I'm alright with that in general though- the people doing the show are intimately involved with the author and know the ultimate fate of all of the characters, so they work together to do what they all feel is best for the screen adaptation.
Cersei's hot, yes, but Ygritte's still my girl. I actually think Melisandre might have to be my second choice. Well, not counting the slave chick that Dany locks in the vault at the end of season 2. She drove me pretty wild.
Ah, THAT'S right, I forgot about that whole Quarth scenario in season 2. That was actually my least favorite storyline in the entire series- it was just plain boring to me- and a big reason why season 2 just didn't fully click.
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 16:13:11 GMT -5
Ygritte is my little red robin. Love that girl Lol and here I thought that everyone would call me insane for falling in love with Ygritte. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 16:15:25 GMT -5
I have to agree with the Bran and Rickon thing. I found myself almost sleeping through his story about the man who turned into a rat. Thankfully Sam came in and saved the day.
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 16:27:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I know about the Clegane and his situation as well. Brienne vs The Hound was the fight scene of the show, with Beric vs The Hound right behind it (which was also a joy to read in book). I also think it made Brienne look really strong and helped her character, not saying that she wasn't already; she was a complete badass of badassery.
Fuck it, I'm posting a list!
1. Margaery Tyrell
2. Daenerys Targaryen
3. Cersei Lannister
4. Ygritte of the Free People
5. Ros
And the best part of that whole story line in Qarth was the overweight merchant's smartass line delivery (I forget his name, apologies). I loved his voice, too, for whatever reason. Just the way he spoke had me chuckling and interested. The book dealt with that entire storyline better, though.
To Soon, Sam is awesome. Whoever doesn't love Sam has no heart and deserves a stunner.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 16:31:56 GMT -5
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 16:35:12 GMT -5
You're right, actually. Sansa would take her spot, then maybe Melisandre... I dunno, but I had a thing for Ros. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jul 13, 2014 16:42:14 GMT -5
Oh man I forgot about Ros. What's the matter with you people? She's smoking. Face, eh, but that body is fantastic. And Joey, I was trying to be REALLY VAGUE about that fight scene because Soon hasn't seen the fourth season yet.  |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 16:44:25 GMT -5
Oh man I forgot about Ros. What's the matter with you people? She's smoking. Face, eh, but that body is fantastic. Yeah, I can't get past her face. |
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