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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 21:41:26 GMT -5
The speed at which you and Raven turn on Roman utterly amazes me. He is still a fav. But I'm not blind that they are hiding him in this match Hiding him why? I'm so sick of this "Reigns can't work and needs to improve" argument. It's utter BS. All you have to do is spend 20 minutes on YouTube to see that Reigns is a very solid worker. There is no reason for the company to "hide" him. Guys spending a lot of time on the mat during triple threat/fatal four-way matches is absolutely 100% the norm. Just wait. In a few minutes it'll be someone else laying around and Roman will be in the mix. |
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 20, 2014 21:41:54 GMT -5
Didn't know a STF was the same as a cross face
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 21:42:29 GMT -5
Didn't know a STF was the same as a cross face Dat WWE commentary |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 21:42:45 GMT -5
The whole "Roman Reigns only does 6 moves" thing is stupid to begin with. You'd be hard pressed to name ANYBODY at the top of the company right now who regularly does more than 6 unique moves in the course of a normal match. It's mostly kickpunch, rest holds, and generic moves that any idiot can execute like the suplex... SO To get into the "Reigns can't do moves, yo!" argument, you have to believe that either 1) Roman Reigns simply cannot execute such complex maneuvers as the headlock and armbar or 2) Every other guy is doing a whole lot of moves that we never ever see on TV Unless one of those things is true, Reigns works just like every other guy in the Main Event picture. But when it was Daniel Bryan He had his own 5 moves o' doom. |
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Post by muta75 on Jul 20, 2014 21:43:27 GMT -5
he won't answer because he has nothing..
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 21:43:35 GMT -5
The whole "Roman Reigns only does 6 moves" thing is stupid to begin with. You'd be hard pressed to name ANYBODY at the top of the company right now who regularly does more than 6 unique moves in the course of a normal match. It's mostly kickpunch, rest holds, and generic moves that any idiot can execute like the suplex... SO To get into the "Reigns can't do moves, yo!" argument, you have to believe that either 1) Roman Reigns simply cannot execute such complex maneuvers as the headlock and armbar or 2) Every other guy is doing a whole lot of moves that we never ever see on TV Unless one of those things is true, Reigns works just like every other guy in the Main Event picture. But when it was Daniel Bryan You STILL continue to mischaracterize my argument against Bryan. It wasn't that he was doing fewer moves. It was that he changed his style from a slow, technical match where he broke a guy down over time and then applied an unexpected submission hold, to a match style where he runs around the ring like a crack addicted monkey spamming corner dropkicks and finishing guys with a running high knee that is somehow special because if you fall on your back at the end instead of landing on your feet, it's Japanese, and Japanese = always better. |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 21:44:13 GMT -5
But when it was Daniel Bryan He had his own 5 moves o' doom. Clearly but remember all the ranting about him toning down the number of moves he do in a match during his push? |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 21:44:45 GMT -5
Didn't know a STF was the same as a cross face Technically the "crossface" is just the part where your hands are locked under the chin. You can execute a standing crossface, etc. The "Crippler Crossface" is the WWE version of the Lebell Lock. The STF has always been "a crossface" just not "the crossface" if that makes any sense. |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 21:45:55 GMT -5
But when it was Daniel Bryan You STILL continue to mischaracterize my argument against Bryan. It wasn't that he was doing fewer moves. It was that he changed his style from a slow, technical match where he broke a guy down over time and then applied an unexpected submission hold, to a match style where he runs around the ring like a crack addicted monkey spamming corner dropkicks and finishing guys with a running high knee that is somehow special because if you fall on your back at the end instead of landing on your feet, it's Japanese, and Japanese = always better. I remember you ranting on him for toning down like HBK because wrestling fans hate wrestling. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 21:46:13 GMT -5
Oh, look, Reigns and Cena are in the ring working and the other guys are just laying around. I wonder why they're hiding Orton and Kane. Those two guys must suck...
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 20, 2014 21:46:48 GMT -5
You STILL continue to mischaracterize my argument against Bryan. It wasn't that he was doing fewer moves. It was that he changed his style from a slow, technical match where he broke a guy down over time and then applied an unexpected submission hold, to a match style where he runs around the ring like a crack addicted monkey spamming corner dropkicks and finishing guys with a running high knee that is somehow special because if you fall on your back at the end instead of landing on your feet, it's Japanese, and Japanese = always better. I remember you ranting on him for toning down like HBK because wrestling fans hate wrestling. Selling out to the spot monkey crowd, yes. That's what he was saying. |
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Post by muta75 on Jul 20, 2014 21:46:50 GMT -5
better match here than i expected...
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 20, 2014 21:47:24 GMT -5
he won't answer because he has nothing.. All have broken kayfabe. Orton was notorious for it as was Punk. HBK was a known ass backstage. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jul 20, 2014 21:47:27 GMT -5
This is starting to heat up.
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 21:47:56 GMT -5
Oh, look, Reigns and Cena are in the ring working and the other guys are just laying around. I wonder why they're hiding Orton and Kane. Those two guys must suck... When haven't we ranted on a Kane match in the past year?  |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 21:47:57 GMT -5
You STILL continue to mischaracterize my argument against Bryan. It wasn't that he was doing fewer moves. It was that he changed his style from a slow, technical match where he broke a guy down over time and then applied an unexpected submission hold, to a match style where he runs around the ring like a crack addicted monkey spamming corner dropkicks and finishing guys with a running high knee that is somehow special because if you fall on your back at the end instead of landing on your feet, it's Japanese, and Japanese = always better. I remember you ranting on him for toning down like HBK because wrestling fans hate wrestling. ... uh huh. *reads own post* That's... what I just said... Do you understand the difference between "the number of moves a guy uses in a given match" and "the way in which the guy uses those moves"? Nobody should expect Reigns to be working slow, technical matches. He's a powerhouse, not a technician. Daniel Bryan WAS a technician, and switched up to some kind of half-assed flyer. |
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 20, 2014 21:48:44 GMT -5
Oh, look, Reigns and Cena are in the ring working and the other guys are just laying around. I wonder why they're hiding Orton and Kane. Those two guys must suck... Well Kane does |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 21:49:05 GMT -5
he won't answer because he has nothing.. All have broken kayfabe. Orton was notorious for it as was Punk. HBK was a known ass backstage. ... when did Orton do this, exactly? Who cares if HBK was an "ass backstage"? Tons of great wrestlers have been. It doesn't damage the business the way violating kayfabe does. Stop making excuses. Ziggler screwed up and got what he deserves. |
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Post by muta75 on Jul 20, 2014 21:49:15 GMT -5
he won't answer because he has nothing.. All have broken kayfabe. Orton was notorious for it as was Punk. HBK was a known ass backstage. offer proof of it or you remain full of shit. i can on ziggler..and i have |
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Post by Miku on Jul 20, 2014 21:49:45 GMT -5
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