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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 22:12:16 GMT -5
I feel like you guys just seem to pull up complaints about Punk for absolutely no reason at all, lol. I get it. You guys hate Punk because he walked out. That's fine, understandable, and I can see why. Seriously though? Talking non-kayfabe is a bad thing? It's not like wrestling has had the illusion of being real for quite some time now. We all know it, the company knows it, the wrestlers know it. ... yes, breaking kayfabe is a bad thing. |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 22:12:53 GMT -5
I feel like you guys just seem to pull up complaints about Punk for absolutely no reason at all, lol. I get it. You guys hate Punk because he walked out. That's fine, understandable, and I can see why. Seriously though? Talking non-kayfabe is a bad thing? It's not like wrestling has had the illusion of being real for quite some time now. We all know it, the company knows it, the wrestlers know it. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 22:14:28 GMT -5
The contradiction astounds me It's NOT a contradiction. Nobody is defending what Punk did. The point is that they were BOTH wrong, but our argument goes like this "Yes they both committed murder, but the first guy had the cure for cancer, so instead of going to jail, they put him to work." Your argument goes like this. "Yes they both committed murder, and since the first guy didn't get punished, the second guy shouldn't either." IMO, they should have BOTH been punished, but regardless, the first guy not getting punished DOES NOT JUSTIFY not punishing the second guy. That is not contradictory. It's logical. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 20, 2014 22:15:16 GMT -5
Talking non-kayfabe is a bad thing? You must have missed the part about people hating Ziggler for that sole reason. No. There's a difference between breaking kayfabe where the story's being told and then going out on a talk show and talking about the experience. Think of it like a film. You can't have the actors breaking their role on the camera, but it's not like it's a bad thing if they talk about their experience on Ellen. I don't see what's different from Sports Entertainment and Movie Entertainment. They play roles on the WWE cameras, they shouldn't be forced to do so elsewhere. |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 22:15:35 GMT -5
You cannot actually be rooting for this guy to get the championship already. He can't even sound even a bit convincing on the mic, most of the time it sounds like he's a first grader reading from dummy cards in front of the class, except that he uses "bitch" and "ass" gratuitously to get a cheap pop from the smacktards in the audience. Certainly better than Rollins, and I don't hear you crying about Seth's push. Trust me when I say you do enough of that for at least half the country.  |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jul 20, 2014 22:15:38 GMT -5
The contradiction astounds me I like miz, but it's still a placeholder title. This isn't the WWE title, its the IC title. The WWE does like the miz, and with him winning it, maybe there will be some direction. Ziggler they just seem to punish relentlessly... Not to Sandow levels mind you, but pretty relentless on the burial. |
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Post by prestige85 on Jul 20, 2014 22:16:21 GMT -5
You cannot actually be rooting for this guy to get the championship already. He can't even sound even a bit convincing on the mic, most of the time it sounds like he's a first grader reading from dummy cards in front of the class, except that he uses "bitch" and "ass" gratuitously to get a cheap pop from the smacktards in the audience. I give you points for using "smacktard." It's a great word. You're flat out wrong about his mic skills though. He's just fine on the mic. Certainly better than Rollins, and I don't hear you crying about Seth's push. ... I'd also like to point out that first graders gratuitously swear to get cheap pop all the time. You must not know any. Every time he grabs a hold of a mic, he looks like he's going to piss himself, he looks like he has some major anxiety issues. Seth is more convincing on the mic and he doesn't just talk in the same old drab monotone voice, he also expresses emotion unlike Reigns who to me is as wooden as a tree. I guess you're right about the first graders, I'll give you that one. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 22:16:32 GMT -5
You must have missed the part about people hating Ziggler for that sole reason. No. There's a difference between breaking kayfabe where the story's being told and then going out on a talk show and talking about the experience. Think of it like a film. You can't have the actors breaking their role on the camera, but it's not like it's a bad thing if they talk about their experience on Ellen. I don't see what's different from Sports Entertainment and Movie Entertainment. They play roles on the WWE cameras, they shouldn't be forced to do so elsewhere. ... except that what Ziggler did that got him into trouble was on a series of radio interviews, which makes it exactly like what Punk did 8) The fact that you don't see the difference really disappoints me. Professional wrestling relies on the illusion that the fighting is real. Movies do not. It's just that simple. |
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 20, 2014 22:17:37 GMT -5
The contradiction astounds me It's NOT a contradiction. Nobody is defending what Punk did. The point is that they were BOTH wrong, but our argument goes like this "Yes they both committed murder, but the first guy had the cure for cancer, so instead of going to jail, they put him to work." Your argument goes like this. "Yes they both committed murder, and since the first guy didn't get punished, the second guy shouldn't either." IMO, they should have BOTH been punished, but regardless, the first guy not getting punished DOES NOT JUSTIFY not punishing the second guy. That is not contradictory. It's logical. My argument is that YES they are both wrong and should be punished (I've said that about Ziggler even comparing him to HHH during his time in the doghouse). But people seem to act as if Ziggler is the first person to do that. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 20, 2014 22:17:55 GMT -5
No. There's a difference between breaking kayfabe where the story's being told and then going out on a talk show and talking about the experience. Think of it like a film. You can't have the actors breaking their role on the camera, but it's not like it's a bad thing if they talk about their experience on Ellen. I don't see what's different from Sports Entertainment and Movie Entertainment. They play roles on the WWE cameras, they shouldn't be forced to do so elsewhere. ... except that what Ziggler did that got him into trouble was on a series of radio interviews, which makes it exactly like what Punk did 8) The fact that you don't see the difference really disappoints me. Professional wrestling relies on the illusion that the fighting is real. Movies do not. It's just that simple. Well, then Ziggler's not in the wrong either. The illusion has been long gone. |
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Post by muta75 on Jul 20, 2014 22:18:25 GMT -5
Muta your love for me flows through you words baby I don't know if I'd say Ziggler can't draw flies, he certainly has his fans.... he's just a multiple time proven loser as a Main Event guy. so does ryder, paige, rusev, hell i'd even assume there are people that love khali...having fans doesn't = drawing power.. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 20, 2014 22:18:48 GMT -5
... except that what Ziggler did that got him into trouble was on a series of radio interviews, which makes it exactly like what Punk did 8) The fact that you don't see the difference really disappoints me. Professional wrestling relies on the illusion that the fighting is real. Movies do not. It's just that simple. The illusion has been long gone. Not for everyone. There are some that still believe. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 20, 2014 22:18:54 GMT -5
I give you points for using "smacktard." It's a great word. You're flat out wrong about his mic skills though. He's just fine on the mic. Certainly better than Rollins, and I don't hear you crying about Seth's push. ... I'd also like to point out that first graders gratuitously swear to get cheap pop all the time. You must not know any. Every time he grabs a hold of a mic, he looks like he's going to piss himself, he looks like he has some major anxiety issues. Seth is more convincing on the mic and he doesn't just talk in the same old drab monotone voice, he also expresses emotion unlike Reigns who to me is as wooden as a tree. I guess you're right about the first graders, I'll give you that one. ... I'm not even going to waste my time with someone who finds Seth Rollins convincing on the mic. His promo at MitB was an insult to promos. He was winning the $#@!ing thing that night, and was more bored with his promo than I was. He stumbled over his words in his promo tonight. Rollins has ALWAYS been boring on the mic. That's been his rep since he was "Tyler Black." Reigns was actually known for cutting good promos. Your prejudice is showing. But hey, enjoy your spot monkey. The bright side for you is, Rollins is definitely going to keep getting pushed, despite the fact that Reigns did the work to get him there. |
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Post by prestige85 on Jul 20, 2014 22:18:59 GMT -5
Roman Reigns makes Cena look like Daniel Day Lewis in that segment.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 20, 2014 22:19:12 GMT -5
You must have missed the part about people hating Ziggler for that sole reason. No. There's a difference between breaking kayfabe where the story's being told and then going out on a talk show and talking about the experience. Think of it like a film. You can't have the actors breaking their role on the camera, but it's not like it's a bad thing if they talk about their experience on Ellen. I don't see what's different from Sports Entertainment and Movie Entertainment. They play roles on the WWE cameras, they shouldn't be forced to do so elsewhere. It's a professional wrestling tradition to keep everything as keyfabe as possible. |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jul 20, 2014 22:19:14 GMT -5
... except that what Ziggler did that got him into trouble was on a series of radio interviews, which makes it exactly like what Punk did 8) The fact that you don't see the difference really disappoints me. Professional wrestling relies on the illusion that the fighting is real. Movies do not. It's just that simple. Well, then Ziggler's not in the wrong either. The illusion has been long gone. wat |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 20, 2014 22:19:21 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd say Ziggler can't draw flies, he certainly has his fans.... he's just a multiple time proven loser as a Main Event guy. hell i'd even assume there are people that love khali... Otherwise known as India... |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 20, 2014 22:19:54 GMT -5
Looks like the talk about Roman has turned into a fight about Rollins for the 1,800,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th time(and this a understatement)
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Post by muta75 on Jul 20, 2014 22:20:16 GMT -5
The contradiction astounds me who and what is contradictory? |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 20, 2014 22:21:02 GMT -5
Looks like the talk about Roman has turned into a fight about Rollins for the 1,800,000,000,000,000,000,00,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th time(and this a understatement) Poor Amber...or was it Ambrosia? Ah **** it, I forgot. |
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