Raw Live Discussion 7/21/14

[iodill8]

Jul 21, 2014 23:12:14 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:06:31 GMT -5 iodill8 said:

Dude, what the fuck is your problem with The Miz, man?? He doesn't suck.
He's definetly not crappy in the ring, he's great on the mic and he has charisma.

Cody Rhodes is better in-ring (IMO), but he lacks charisma and he doesn't really connect with the fans. Which is why he's stuck with bullshit gimmicks like Stardust.

And Miz does..................he hasn't since winning MITB

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[WhoCares?]

Jul 21, 2014 23:14:17 GMT -5 iodill8 said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:12:14 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

And Miz does..................he hasn't since winning MITB

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I'll translate: "Miz doesn't connect with the fans".

[Serboy]

Jul 21, 2014 23:11:21 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:06:17 GMT -5 Serboy said:

You just agreed with me on the fact she was over on NXT, thank you. A dancing gimmick with females, DON'T go over, Raven. Don't know why you want me to do the impossible just to make yourself look smart.

Breeze also had a music video, says you're gross to people and he's pulls it off perfectly. Again, the gimmicks are more different than you think.

Miz is wearing a suit now. He's spouting Hollywood garbage with movies, and he claimed he stayed with the business even though he could've stayed at Hollywood. Those are differences, Raven.

Again did I say she was over the the MAIN roster? Nope. And again show me a woman with a dancing gimmick that ever got over. 

Breeze is doing the same things you are praising Miz for doing.

Miz has always wore a fucking suit. He has always spouted his accomplishments outside of WWE. They just slapped a Hollywood in front of it and people are acting like it's brand new. IT'S THE SAME DAMN GUY.

Didn't I just say that's impossible, Raven? You gotta read into my posts more.

Did Miz call anybody gross? No? Thought not. 

No he hasn't. Of course, it's the same guy. They didn't completely change his name.

Oh yeah, might I add this little bit of my thoughts: I say one good thing about Miz (I was overplaying it a little) and you claim I'm praising him. NO. YOU saying Ziggler deserves better every time he's on TV, THAT'S praising somebody.

[Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW]

Jul 21, 2014 23:10:20 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:00:42 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

You just mentioned his feud with Big Show. Don't try it Serboy

Cody was more over than Miz. How you all forget how were slurping Cody when he was dashing and undashing

I'm talking about in relation to Cody not being over. 

Didn't Miz have a better position at WrestleMania 27 than Cody did?

Lol. So now we are talking about position lol. When arguably the best heel in the company was in a feud with Randy Orton.

Miz has been given opprotunites and still hasn't connected with fans. Has Miz been the main event of Mania? Yup you damn right.

[stewie34732]

Jul 21, 2014 23:11:29 GMT -5 WhoCares? said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:09:09 GMT -5 stewie34732 said:

 trust me  if i wanted to piss you , i wouldve been did it , i dont troll around to piss people off........ & why wont you go youtube lesnar , im in a motocross /supercross 2015 review podcast right now , so if u want my answer , your goona have to wait....

I don't Youtube Lesnar because I know he sucks. 

Also, if it means that he may somehow be talented, I don't mind waiting a few dozen eternities.

if you think im using this podcast as an excuse of not showing , then your sadly mistaken bruh 

[iodill8]

Jul 21, 2014 23:15:36 GMT -5 WhoCares? said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:14:17 GMT -5 iodill8 said:

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I'll translate: "Miz doesn't connect with the fans".

Thanks.

Now THAT'S just bullshit, Raven.

[WhoCares?]

Jul 21, 2014 23:16:29 GMT -5 stewie34732 said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:11:29 GMT -5 WhoCares? said:

I don't Youtube Lesnar because I know he sucks. 

Also, if it means that he may somehow be talented, I don't mind waiting a few dozen eternities.

if you think im using this podcast as an excuse of not showing , then your sadly mistaken bruh 

I don't (?)

[Serboy]

Jul 21, 2014 23:16:24 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:10:20 GMT -5 Serboy said:

I'm talking about in relation to Cody not being over. 

Didn't Miz have a better position at WrestleMania 27 than Cody did?

Lol. So now we are talking about position lol. When arguably the best heel in the company was in a feud with Randy Orton.

Miz has been given opprotunites and still hasn't connected with fans. Has Miz been the main event of Mania? Yup you damn right.

Yep, I'm mentioning a position. Got a problem with that? I'm using that fact to show Miz was more over than Cody at the time.


So did Barrett. Look where he got. He finally got over. Miz is capable of doing the same thing now.

[BaneTheDestroyer]

I just want to point out that Miz was a great heel and so was Cody. They both had heat. Miz was arguably the most hated heel when he was the champion, and not in a bad way, lol.


Then again, I go based off what you fools and the rest of the internet discuss. I didn't watch at the time.

However, I do know I tuned in to see them both at some times and they both delivered.

[Serboy]

Jul 21, 2014 23:19:57 GMT -5 BaneTheDestroyer said:

I just want to point out that Miz was a great heel and so was Cody. They both had heat. Miz was arguably the most hated heel when he was the champion, and not in a bad way, lol.


Then again, I go based off what you fools and the rest of the internet discuss. I didn't watch at the time.

However, I do know I tuned in to see them both at some times and they both delivered.

Thank you. That's all I wanted to see.

[WrestleClown]

Jul 21, 2014 23:19:57 GMT -5 BaneTheDestroyer said:

I just want to point out that Miz was a great heel and so was Cody. They both had heat. Miz was arguably the most hated heel when he was the champion, and not in a bad way, lol.


Then again, I go based off what you fools and the rest of the internet discuss. I didn't watch at the time.

However, I do know I tuned in to see them both at some times and they both delivered.

Yeah, don't do that.  You'll get the false notion that Roman Reigns is the best thing since sliced bread from certain people.

*Honk*

[BaneTheDestroyer]

Jul 21, 2014 23:21:59 GMT -5 WrestleClown said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:19:57 GMT -5 BaneTheDestroyer said:

I just want to point out that Miz was a great heel and so was Cody. They both had heat. Miz was arguably the most hated heel when he was the champion, and not in a bad way, lol.


Then again, I go based off what you fools and the rest of the internet discuss. I didn't watch at the time.

However, I do know I tuned in to see them both at some times and they both delivered.

Yeah, don't do that.  You'll get the false notion that Roman Reigns is the best thing since sliced bread from certain people.

*Honk*

Yeah, except I've seen him for myself, lol. I watched when he was "getting big" or...actually, he was apparently already ready for the top as soon as they saw him for some reason.

[Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW]

Jul 21, 2014 23:16:10 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:11:21 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Again did I say she was over the the MAIN roster? Nope. And again show me a woman with a dancing gimmick that ever got over. 

Breeze is doing the same things you are praising Miz for doing.

Miz has always wore a fucking suit. He has always spouted his accomplishments outside of WWE. They just slapped a Hollywood in front of it and people are acting like it's brand new. IT'S THE SAME DAMN GUY.

Didn't I just say that's impossible, Raven? You gotta read into my posts more.

Did Miz call anybody gross? No? Thought not. 

No he hasn't. Of course, it's the same guy. They didn't completely change his name.

Oh yeah, might I add this little bit of my thoughts: I say one good thing about Miz (I was overplaying it a little) and you claim I'm praising him. NO. YOU saying Ziggler deserves better every time he's on TV, THAT'S praising somebody.

You didn't read mine. Your argument posed to me was that Emma was over in NXT but didn't get over on the Main roster. Then I asked you what Diva has ever gotten over with a dance gimmick. Yet you failed to answer my question.

The hell does that even matter. And if Miz called someone gross. You would rave about it saying Miz is being a egomaniac and is becoming the gimmick

You were referencing Miz wearing a suit. THE BASTARD WORE A SUIT AFTER HE DUMPED THE ECW CLOTHES. So don't act like him doing all of this stuff is new. He is the same guy who won the WWE title. Who turned face. Who hosted MizTV. Stop trying to make it seem as if the guy has done some 180 gimmick turn and isn't the same guy. He doesn't say Awesome. What else has changed?

And atleast I admit I say Ziggler deserves better. That's not praising it's pointing out things. I've admitted Ziggler's sloppy ring work. So don't sit and act like I don't see the guys faults. I don't go areound saying. Hey Ziggler is wearing a suit he is changing. Or Ziggler has on different tights on. That's what you do. And what you are doing with Miz. 

Your defense mechanism in debates with me is bringing up Ziggler every damn time. But yet when I point out the OBVIOUS you act as if it is an attack. MIZ IS THE SAME GUY WITH A HOLLYWOOD CLIP INFRONT OF HIS INTRO. Do I like Ziggler yup. Do I think he is the best thing since sliced bread? Nope.

So answer my questions.

[WhoCares?]

*runs out of thread as fast as I can*

[Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW]

Jul 21, 2014 23:19:17 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:16:24 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Lol. So now we are talking about position lol. When arguably the best heel in the company was in a feud with Randy Orton.

Miz has been given opprotunites and still hasn't connected with fans. Has Miz been the main event of Mania? Yup you damn right.

Yep, I'm mentioning a position. Got a problem with that? I'm using that fact to show Miz was more over than Cody at the time.


So did Barrett. Look where he got. He finally got over. Miz is capable of doing the same thing now.

Lol. I just find it funny you keep changing the discussion.

[Serboy]

Jul 21, 2014 23:26:26 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:16:10 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Didn't I just say that's impossible, Raven? You gotta read into my posts more.

Did Miz call anybody gross? No? Thought not. 

No he hasn't. Of course, it's the same guy. They didn't completely change his name.

Oh yeah, might I add this little bit of my thoughts: I say one good thing about Miz (I was overplaying it a little) and you claim I'm praising him. NO. YOU saying Ziggler deserves better every time he's on TV, THAT'S praising somebody.

You didn't read mine. Your argument posed to me was that Emma was over in NXT but didn't get over on the Main roster. Then I asked you what Diva has ever gotten over with a dance gimmick. Yet you failed to answer my question.

The hell does that even matter. And if Miz called someone gross. You would rave about it saying Miz is being a egomaniac and is becoming the gimmick

You were referencing Miz wearing a suit. THE BASTARD WORE A SUIT AFTER HE DUMPED THE ECW CLOTHES. So don't act like him doing all of this stuff is new. He is the same guy who won the WWE title. Who turned face. Who hosted MizTV. Stop trying to make it seem as if the guy has done some 180 gimmick turn and isn't the same guy. He doesn't say Awesome. What else has changed?

And atleast I admit I say Ziggler deserves better. That's not praising it's pointing out things. I've admitted Ziggler's sloppy ring work. So don't sit and act like I don't see the guys faults. I don't go areound saying. Hey Ziggler is wearing a suit he is changing. Or Ziggler has on different tights on. That's what you do. And what you are doing with Miz. 

Your defense mechanism in debates with me is bringing up Ziggler every damn time. But yet when I point out the OBVIOUS you act as if it is an attack. MIZ IS THE SAME GUY WITH A HOLLYWOOD CLIP INFRONT OF HIS INTRO. Do I like Ziggler yup. Do I think he is the best thing since sliced bread? Nope.

So answer my questions.

Again, it's impossible. Stop spouting the same old bullshit, Raven. It's getting very old.

Saying that shows how ignorant you're being in this situation. Pathetic. *facepalm*

He got a great gimmick. That's a big change. Stop being such an impatient baby, Raven.

That's not a defense mechanism. Not even close. You don't know how I act, so again, just stop, man. You clearly have bias issues.

Answered the important questions, dude. 

[Serboy]

Jul 21, 2014 23:28:30 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:19:17 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Yep, I'm mentioning a position. Got a problem with that? I'm using that fact to show Miz was more over than Cody at the time.


So did Barrett. Look where he got. He finally got over. Miz is capable of doing the same thing now.

Lol. I just find it funny you keep changing the discussion.

As long as the core idea is that Miz has a good gimmick, the argument remains. You're using that washed-up "quit changing the discussion" line. Stop using it. It's pretty old now.

[Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW]

Jul 21, 2014 23:32:39 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:26:26 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

You didn't read mine. Your argument posed to me was that Emma was over in NXT but didn't get over on the Main roster. Then I asked you what Diva has ever gotten over with a dance gimmick. Yet you failed to answer my question.

The hell does that even matter. And if Miz called someone gross. You would rave about it saying Miz is being a egomaniac and is becoming the gimmick

You were referencing Miz wearing a suit. THE BASTARD WORE A SUIT AFTER HE DUMPED THE ECW CLOTHES. So don't act like him doing all of this stuff is new. He is the same guy who won the WWE title. Who turned face. Who hosted MizTV. Stop trying to make it seem as if the guy has done some 180 gimmick turn and isn't the same guy. He doesn't say Awesome. What else has changed?

And atleast I admit I say Ziggler deserves better. That's not praising it's pointing out things. I've admitted Ziggler's sloppy ring work. So don't sit and act like I don't see the guys faults. I don't go areound saying. Hey Ziggler is wearing a suit he is changing. Or Ziggler has on different tights on. That's what you do. And what you are doing with Miz. 

Your defense mechanism in debates with me is bringing up Ziggler every damn time. But yet when I point out the OBVIOUS you act as if it is an attack. MIZ IS THE SAME GUY WITH A HOLLYWOOD CLIP INFRONT OF HIS INTRO. Do I like Ziggler yup. Do I think he is the best thing since sliced bread? Nope.

So answer my questions.

Again, it's impossible. Stop spouting the same old bullshit, Raven. It's getting very old.

Saying that shows how ignorant you're being in this situation. Pathetic. *facepalm*

He got a great gimmick. That's a big change. Stop being such an impatient baby, Raven.

That's not a defense mechanism. Not even close. You don't know how I act, so again, just stop, man. You clearly have bias issues.

Answered the important questions, dude. 

But yet you have yet to show proof. Instead you flip back and forth. I know how you act by seeing that you don't know what you are talking about. I state facts yet you fail to acknowledge. And when you have nothing to say what do you do? When all else fails bring up Ziggler lol

[Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW]

Jul 21, 2014 23:34:17 GMT -5 Serboy said:

Jul 21, 2014 23:28:30 GMT -5 Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW said:

Lol. I just find it funny you keep changing the discussion.

As long as the core idea is that Miz has a good gimmick, the argument remains. You're using that washed-up "quit changing the discussion" line. Stop using it. It's pretty old now.

The gimmick is good it's the same Miz. My stance won't change. And your argument changes. First it was the gimmick then it was his position then it was his promo work.

[iodill8]

Ziggler is overrated.