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Post by TomJohns on Feb 6, 2014 11:41:53 GMT -5
 The case is drawing comparisons to Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. On November 23, 2012, 45-year old Michael Dunn fired 8 shots into an SUV carrying 17-year old Jordan Davis and three of his friends. Davis was killed on the scene after being hit by 2 bullets. None of his friends were injured. The incident was sparked by an argument over loud music. Dunn and his girlfriend had pulled into a Jacksonville gas station next to the SUV. He wanted the young men to turn their music down. During the argument Dunn claimed he saw a shotgun sticking out of the rear window of the SUV. That's when he grabbed his 9mm pistol and began shooting. Dunn fled the scene the scene with his girlfriend. The two later checked into a hotel and ordered pizza. Dunn was arrested several days later at his home in Satellite Beach, Florida. He faces charges of first-degree murder in Davis' death and three counts of attempted first-degree murder for shooting at the other three teens in the SUV. A subsequent search by police of the teen's SUV revealed there was no guns inside their vehicle. Dunn claims he acted in self defense. A jury has been selected and opening statements will begin on Today (February 6) |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 6, 2014 12:14:48 GMT -5
I'm not sure how this could be compared to the Martin thing, other than "because the media wants it to be."
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 6, 2014 12:18:17 GMT -5
I'm not sure how this could be compared to the Martin thing, other than "because the media wants it to be." Yeah, I saw no comparison either.. The only comparison I see is a white guy killing a black kid, that's the only comparison. It was a copy and paste job  |
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Post by WSS? on Feb 6, 2014 12:41:57 GMT -5
Loud music + He has a shotgun = He's going to kill me.
WELL, CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT LOGIC!
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Post by wildknight on Feb 6, 2014 12:59:58 GMT -5
Loud music + He has a shotgun = He's going to kill me. WELL, CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT LOGIC! If the shotgun was protruding out the window, it's a pretty sure sign they were going to shoot. BUT One of the general rules of shooting someone in self-defense is that you had better be AWFULLY sure that they've got a weapon, and it seems that these kids had none. I don't like to speculate without knowing all the details, but if I had to make a judgment based purely on whats in that article, this dude is a murderer. |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 6, 2014 13:03:43 GMT -5
Loud music + He has a shotgun = He's going to kill me. WELL, CAN'T ARGUE WITH THAT LOGIC! If the shotgun was protruding out the window, it's a pretty sure sign they were going to shoot. BUT One of the general rules of shooting someone in self-defense is that you had better be AWFULLY sure that they've got a weapon, and it seems that these kids had none. I don't like to speculate without knowing all the details, but if I had to make a judgment based purely on whats in that article, this dude is a murderer. By the sounds of things he didn't feel any remorse for killing a kid either. I mean If you've just shot someone in self-defense you don't run and hide. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 6, 2014 13:07:48 GMT -5
If the shotgun was protruding out the window, it's a pretty sure sign they were going to shoot. BUT One of the general rules of shooting someone in self-defense is that you had better be AWFULLY sure that they've got a weapon, and it seems that these kids had none. I don't like to speculate without knowing all the details, but if I had to make a judgment based purely on whats in that article, this dude is a murderer. By the sounds of things he didn't feel any remorse for killing a kid either. I mean If you've just shot someone in self-defense you don't run and hide. People do all kinds of things when they've just had a traumatic experience. I don't like to speculate on what is or isn't appropriate in those situations. I will say that if he feels he's responsible enough to own a gun, he should know that the protocol is to turn yourself in immediately if there's been a shooting. |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 6, 2014 13:14:34 GMT -5
By the sounds of things he didn't feel any remorse for killing a kid either. I mean If you've just shot someone in self-defense you don't run and hide. People do all kinds of things when they've just had a traumatic experience. I don't like to speculate on what is or isn't appropriate in those situations. I will say that if he feels he's responsible enough to own a gun, he should know that the protocol is to turn yourself in immediately if there's been a shooting. That's what I'm saying. If it really was self-defense then he'd have had nothing to worry about and should have turned himself in, not gone to a hotel and ordered Pizza as if nothing happened, That's a pretty shady reaction to have after killing someone. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 6, 2014 13:17:51 GMT -5
People do all kinds of things when they've just had a traumatic experience. I don't like to speculate on what is or isn't appropriate in those situations. I will say that if he feels he's responsible enough to own a gun, he should know that the protocol is to turn yourself in immediately if there's been a shooting. That's what I'm saying. If it really was self-defense then he'd have had nothing to worry about and should have turned himself in, not gone to a hotel and ordered Pizza as if nothing happened, That's a pretty shady reaction to have after killing someone. I don't like to call it shady, though you're free to. I've seen enough different people suffer the same trauma to know that there is no "normal" reaction, so it's tricky to pin down what is or isn't acceptable. It always drives me nuts when I see some cop saying that they thought someone was guilty because they didn't seem sad enough, etc. The human brain isn't equipped to deal with trauma, that's why it's called trauma. Don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible that this guy is a cold blooded douchebag who literally shot some kid just because he wouldn't turn his music down. I'm just not comfortable saying that I know that's the case. |
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Post by pinksparklepuff on Feb 6, 2014 19:03:26 GMT -5
There's nothing shady about ordering a pizza, ever.
Got it, bub?
The only similarity to this And the Zimmerman affair is that a white guy shot a black guy.
The only thing I'm curious to hear about is a statement from the woman who accompanied the shooter.
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Post by Gmensox007 on Feb 6, 2014 19:13:35 GMT -5
There's nothing shady about ordering a pizza, ever.Got it, bub? The only similarity to this And the Zimmerman affair is that a white guy shot a black guy. The only thing I'm curious to hear about is a statement from the woman who accompanied the shooter. I agree with the Sparkle-man here........
There is no similarity other than White Dude kills Black Dude.......
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 8, 2014 6:01:36 GMT -5
That's what I'm saying. If it really was self-defense then he'd have had nothing to worry about and should have turned himself in, not gone to a hotel and ordered Pizza as if nothing happened, That's a pretty shady reaction to have after killing someone. I don't like to call it shady, though you're free to. I've seen enough different people suffer the same trauma to know that there is no "normal" reaction, so it's tricky to pin down what is or isn't acceptable. It always drives me nuts when I see some cop saying that they thought someone was guilty because they didn't seem sad enough, etc. The human brain isn't equipped to deal with trauma, that's why it's called trauma. Don't get me wrong, it's entirely possible that this guy is a cold blooded douchebag who literally shot some kid just because he wouldn't turn his music down. I'm just not comfortable saying that I know that's the case. Yeah I agree with this. There's no textbook for how an innocent person is "supposed" to act, as much as it's instinct to assume guilt based on what someone does or doesn't do after a crime the law prohibits the police from using such assumptions as evidence. Some innocent people fly into tears, some run out of fear, some are so shell-shocked that they go on with daily life as if it never happened at all. Based on what little I know it seems like the guy was just looking to kill but I wouldn't want to make any assumptions either. I'll wait for Jesse Jackson to assure me that the guy is guilty. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 8, 2014 7:46:18 GMT -5
if they were listening to some shitty ass music then fire away, they had it coming..
in all seriousness..i meant every word of my previous statement...
i see this sparking the 2nd amendment debate. as if there should be one. i look at guns the same way i look at procreation. the responsible of us can have all the kids and guns they want. the irresponsible can take a seat...
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Post by wildknight on Feb 8, 2014 21:46:56 GMT -5
in all seriousness..i meant every word of my previous statement...   |
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 9, 2014 19:00:13 GMT -5
I agree with that as well. Unfortunately there's not a way to conclusively identify the people who will always act responsibly and restrict the ones who won't.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 9, 2014 20:01:21 GMT -5
I agree with that as well. Unfortunately there's not a way to conclusively identify the people who will always act responsibly and restrict the ones who won't. Well, until they invent pre-crime... which will go down as the worst thing to ever exist on planet Earth except maybe the 24 Hour News Cycle, I stand by the notion that we always have to err on the side of the rights of the citizen and simply punish the guilty. Also; Doctors are about 630 times more likely to kill you than a legally registered firearm in this country. Seems like the standard for what we need to get more restrictive about is based on something other than actual lethality... (There's also a stat for licensed dogs, but I can't remember it off-hand. I actually find it a bit disturbing that some random dog is many many times more likely to kill me than a firearm. I think I'd rather be shot) |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 10, 2014 14:36:02 GMT -5
I agree with that as well. Unfortunately there's not a way to conclusively identify the people who will always act responsibly and restrict the ones who won't. use the good faith system, until true colors (no offense) are shown.. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 10, 2014 16:12:05 GMT -5
I agree with that as well. Unfortunately there's not a way to conclusively identify the people who will always act responsibly and restrict the ones who won't. use the good faith system, until true colors (no offense) are shown.. Exactly. Anything else puts too much power in the hands of people who want power. "Discretion" is something the government should be allowed as little of as possible. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 10, 2014 17:34:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure how this could be compared to the Martin thing, other than "because the media wants it to be." A black guy was the victim. That's the only similarity I see. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 10, 2014 17:35:31 GMT -5
I'm not sure how this could be compared to the Martin thing, other than "because the media wants it to be." Yeah, I saw no comparison either.. The only comparison I see is a white guy killing a black kid, that's the only comparison. Except that George Zimmerman was Hispanic. |
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