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Post by setokaiba on Dec 15, 2013 22:52:00 GMT -5
Just saying, by WWE rules since he won the match going into TLC he's going to lose. I figured Cena would lose this match and win the belt back at WM. But the way he lost is a shocker. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 15, 2013 22:53:11 GMT -5
They had 30 mins I believe, 10 mins of f***ery in the beginning then they should start using weapons from 10 to 20 min mark then 20 to 30 tease the ladder spots I don't know, I feel like Orton knows what he's doing when it comes to building matches. Orton (the character) isn't generally the type of guy to think "I could use this steel chair... but I think I'll try punchkick and a few clotheslines for the next 10 minutes first." With what was at stake and how much these guys supposedly hate each other, it made sense that a psychotic like Orton went straight for the chairs, IMO. |
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Post by stewie34732 on Dec 15, 2013 22:59:04 GMT -5
i feel bad for the people that went to the event & paid for it on TV
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 15, 2013 23:02:03 GMT -5
I didn't really care for this match(it was okay at best) but I see what WK is saying. Cena and Orton are suppose to hate each other on a personal and are each others greatest rival. It does make sense they go for weapons right away. I also understand the point of Edge is Cena second greatest rival and he didn't go the weapon right away to.
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Post by wildknight on Dec 15, 2013 23:10:23 GMT -5
I didn't really care for this match(it was okay at best) but I see what WK is saying. Cena and Orton are suppose to hate each other on a personal and are each others greatest rival. It does make sense they go for weapons right away. I also understand the point of Edge is Cena second greatest rival and he didn't go the weapon right away to. I dispute the fact that Edge is Cena's second greatest rival, as well as point out that Edge and Cena didn't have nearly the history that Orton and Cena do. |
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Post by muta75 on Dec 15, 2013 23:26:54 GMT -5
how did the punk/shield match finish?
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 15, 2013 23:34:36 GMT -5
Well that was refreshing. I'm glad Orton won, so that felt good to see. Clean enough because there is no dqs in TLC.
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Post by wildknight on Dec 15, 2013 23:36:08 GMT -5
how did the punk/shield match finish? Punk won, and it looks like the seeds of the Shield's breakup are sewn. Reigns was down for a good portion of the match, and returned just on time to spear (accidentally) his own teammate. |
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Post by muta75 on Dec 16, 2013 0:15:48 GMT -5
how did the punk/shield match finish? Punk won, and it looks like the seeds of the Shield's breakup are sewn. Reigns was down for a good portion of the match, and returned just on time to spear (accidentally) his own teammate. ah, ok. |
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Post by WSS? on Dec 16, 2013 0:17:00 GMT -5
:lol: The heel underdog won. Amazing.
That said, I had no clue there were any people who didn't think Stephanie's attractive.
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Post by monkeywool on Dec 16, 2013 4:47:13 GMT -5
Welp, credit where it's due... Monkeywool was right, Orton won (relatively cleanly as well)... but I stand by my point; Orton looked like he had no chance going in. I'm wondering why I was among the minority who thought it. For me, it was standard wwe. Make the heel look like he's lost his advantage going into the match, make it look even, only for him to come out with another devilishly cunning idea. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 16, 2013 7:05:58 GMT -5
Welp, credit where it's due... Monkeywool was right, Orton won (relatively cleanly as well)... but I stand by my point; Orton looked like he had no chance going in. I'm wondering why I was among the minority who thought it. For me, it was standard wwe. Make the heel look like he's lost his advantage going into the match, make it look even, only for him to come out with another devilishly cunning idea. All of that is true... but its also true that John Cena has the second highest win percentage of any professional wrestler ever.. and THE highest in major matches/at major PPVs. I think it was entirely reasonable that most people believed Cena was going to win this one going in. The whole "Spoiler: I Win!" thing isn't just a meme... it's a statistical truth. |
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Post by monkeywool on Dec 16, 2013 7:44:34 GMT -5
I'm wondering why I was among the minority who thought it. For me, it was standard wwe. Make the heel look like he's lost his advantage going into the match, make it look even, only for him to come out with another devilishly cunning idea. All of that is true... but its also true that John Cena has the second highest win percentage of any professional wrestler ever.. and THE highest in major matches/at major PPVs. I think it was entirely reasonable that most people believed Cena was going to win this one going in. The whole "Spoiler: I Win!" thing isn't just a meme... it's a statistical truth. Does he? Interesting. Who's first? |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 16, 2013 7:54:14 GMT -5
All of that is true... but its also true that John Cena has the second highest win percentage of any professional wrestler ever.. and THE highest in major matches/at major PPVs. I think it was entirely reasonable that most people believed Cena was going to win this one going in. The whole "Spoiler: I Win!" thing isn't just a meme... it's a statistical truth. Does he? Interesting. Who's first? Horny Swaggles. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 16, 2013 8:22:50 GMT -5
All of that is true... but its also true that John Cena has the second highest win percentage of any professional wrestler ever.. and THE highest in major matches/at major PPVs. I think it was entirely reasonable that most people believed Cena was going to win this one going in. The whole "Spoiler: I Win!" thing isn't just a meme... it's a statistical truth. Does he? Interesting. Who's first? Ultimate Warrior. Actually, I should note that the compiled stats I was looking at were from before Cena's massive year-long losing streak, and that might have changed the picture (statistically) some. |
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Post by monkeywool on Dec 16, 2013 9:04:06 GMT -5
Does he? Interesting. Who's first? Ultimate Warrior. Actually, I should note that the compiled stats I was looking at were from before Cena's massive year-long losing streak, and that might have changed the picture (statistically) some. According to pro fight db (no idea how legit this is) he's in 62nd, behind Yokozuna and just above honky tonk man. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 16, 2013 9:06:47 GMT -5
According to pro fight db (no idea how legit this is) he's in 62nd, behind Yokozuna and just above honky tonk man. There's no way on earth that's accurate. |
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Post by monkeywool on Dec 16, 2013 9:08:43 GMT -5
According to pro fight db (no idea how legit this is) he's in 62nd, behind Yokozuna and just above honky tonk man. There's no way on earth that's accurate. 67% he's on. Warrior is on 80 odd. Ppv victories cena is 6th with 59% and hogan sitting at the top on 63%. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 16, 2013 9:09:43 GMT -5
There's no way on earth that's accurate. 67% he's on. Warrior is on 80 odd. Ppv victories cena is 6th with 59% and hogan sitting at the top on 63%. Hogan's win percentage is definitely lower than Warriors, so something is off there. |
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Post by monkeywool on Dec 16, 2013 9:13:43 GMT -5
67% he's on. Warrior is on 80 odd. Ppv victories cena is 6th with 59% and hogan sitting at the top on 63%. Hogan's win percentage is definitely lower than Warriors, so something is off there. Warrior doesn't appear on the ppv list, says anyone with less than 50 ppv fights are not counted, so maybe that's it. |
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