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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 20:37:37 GMT -5
newscenter.berkeley.edu/2011/09/22/brain-movies/So scientists have finally discovered how to read imagery in the mind! This is such a huge step forward! Just think, soon not even your own thoughts will be private anymore! You're very mind will be accessible by the NSA! Isn't this great guys?!
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Dec 10, 2013 20:45:56 GMT -5
yea, well **** them.
Wait, did they hear that?
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 10, 2013 20:50:12 GMT -5
That's freaking awesome. I love tech, and yes while this can be used for evil and intrusion I love the idea of being able to look at the imagery of my dreams and recording it.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 20:59:18 GMT -5
That's freaking awesome. I love tech, and yes while this can be used for evil and intrusion I love the idea of being able to look at the imagery of my dreams and recording it. You really think they're just gonna release this out to the public like that? |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 10, 2013 21:03:44 GMT -5
That's freaking awesome. I love tech, and yes while this can be used for evil and intrusion I love the idea of being able to look at the imagery of my dreams and recording it. You really think they're just gonna release this out to the public like that? Not in this iteration and probably not for years, but it all depends on the private market. If they feel money can be made and that people would buy it. Why not? |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 21:06:21 GMT -5
You really think they're just gonna release this out to the public like that? Not in this iteration and probably not for years, but it all depends on the private market. If they feel money can be made and that people would buy it. Why not? There are many reasons why... |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 10, 2013 21:20:27 GMT -5
*sigh*
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 21:22:35 GMT -5
Is that a sigh of content or defeat? |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 10, 2013 21:26:08 GMT -5
Is that a sigh of content or defeat? Defeat It's sad to live in an age when the word "ethics" has no meaning. So-called scientists no longer question whether they should do a thing. The fact that they can is all that matters to them. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 21:27:31 GMT -5
Is that a sigh of content or defeat? Defeat It's sad to live in an age when the word "ethics" has no meaning. So-called scientists no longer question whether they should do a thing. The fact that they can is all that matters to them. This is hardly anything new. Scientists have been like this for centuries... Unfortunately we have to deal with the worst of it. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 10, 2013 21:40:43 GMT -5
Defeat It's sad to live in an age when the word "ethics" has no meaning. So-called scientists no longer question whether they should do a thing. The fact that they can is all that matters to them. This is hardly anything new. Scientists have been like this for centuries... Unfortunately we have to deal with the worst of it. You'd be surprised. In the past scientists struggled with the fact that what they were creating would be unleashed on the world. There were always those with no conscience, of course, but it wasn't really the norm for most of the 20th century. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 10, 2013 21:42:07 GMT -5
Technology is not good nor evil. It's just a tool. A sense of self discovery has been in man for years. This is just another push towards that. While technology and tools can easily be used for evil, in turn it can be used for good.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 21:42:33 GMT -5
This is hardly anything new. Scientists have been like this for centuries... Unfortunately we have to deal with the worst of it. You'd be surprised. In the past scientists struggled with the fact that what they were creating would be unleashed on the world. There were always those with no conscience, of course, but it wasn't really the norm for most of the 20th century. Good point. Even the creators of the atomic bomb stated their regrets at having created it. Now a days? All that matters is being the next person to make something cool, and get money for doing so. Morals and ethics can go **** themselves. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 10, 2013 21:45:48 GMT -5
Technology is not good nor evil. It's just a tool. A sense of self discovery has been in man for years. This is just another push towards that. While technology and tools can easily be used for evil, in turn it can be used for good. That's a very politically correct position, but I'm afraid I have to disagree. Oftentimes the potential for good is vastly outweighed by the obviously negative impact that a technology could potentially have. Any technology that invades the sanctity of the mind is bound to be more harmful than helpful. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 21:46:57 GMT -5
Technology is not good nor evil. It's just a tool. A sense of self discovery has been in man for years. This is just another push towards that. While technology and tools can easily be used for evil, in turn it can be used for good. I understand that this technology can be used to find out whether some committed a crime or not, but gosh damn it we need privacy. What makes this technology scary is the way our world works today, and if you aren't afraid you damn well should be. What benefits do you gain from this exactly? A better sense of security? Let me refer you to a Mr. Franklin... "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Would you really benefit from recording your dreams? Would you really risk the only privacy you can even have in this world anymore for something as trivial as that? |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 21:48:16 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure this technology falls under that of the Orwellian category...
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 10, 2013 22:03:54 GMT -5
While there are certain things I would never want such as the experimentations that were done on patients during WW II with trying to switch monkey's head. Scratch that.
It's a fine line to me about this subject, my initial response was elation at what technology continues to pump out and what a wonderful age it is to be alive. Upon further reflection, while I still maintain that I would love the tech, Humanity has proven to me with each new tool it is abused. This isn't even a thing on the government level people show what they do every moment of the day with little care about whose seeing it.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 10, 2013 22:09:18 GMT -5
While there are certain things I would never want such as the experimentations that were done on patients during WW II with trying to switch monkey's head. Scratch that. It's a fine line to me about this subject, my initial response was elation at what technology continues to pump out and what a wonderful age it is to be alive. Upon further reflection, while I still maintain that I would love the tech, Humanity has proven to me with each new tool it is abused. This isn't even a thing on the government level people show what they do every moment of the day with little care about whose seeing it. Personally, I think this is an absolutely awful age to be alive. I'm seriously scared by what science continues to pull out all the time. I'm really scared of what the world will come to because of stuff like this. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 10, 2013 22:14:19 GMT -5
While there are certain things I would never want such as the experimentations that were done on patients during WW II with trying to switch monkey's head. Scratch that. It's a fine line to me about this subject, my initial response was elation at what technology continues to pump out and what a wonderful age it is to be alive. Upon further reflection, while I still maintain that I would love the tech, Humanity has proven to me with each new tool it is abused. This isn't even a thing on the government level people show what they do every moment of the day with little care about whose seeing it. Personally, I think this is an absolutely awful age to be alive. I'm seriously scared by what science continues to pull out all the time. I'm really scared of what the world will come to because of stuff like this. I think that the world will be just fine. I think that things will expand and we shall one day colonize and explore. I think that is where we are going. However to get there, I believe there will be quite a few huge changes that will need to take place. Which I am seeing coming about. From tech like using the solar glider, to something as simple as the spray that allows material to be water proof. Not all of them are horrible ideas.  |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 10, 2013 22:15:39 GMT -5
When it comes to unleashing a given technology on the world, I think there's a pretty simple analogy one can use. A gun in and of itself is inert. It has great potential to do harm, but also great potential to protect. Would you then leave one laying in a playground? Of course not. The fact that it might cause grievous harm is too great. Technology should always be considered with it's potential for harm weighed against its potential for good.
Governments cannot be trusted to make these decisions for us; if they withhold a given bit of technology on their judgment that it might be too harmful to the general public, the result is that only they have something that has been judged (by their own standards no less) to be harmful to the general public. Unless one implicitly trusts that neither the Government nor any rogue agent of the Government will never unleash said technology on defenseless citizens, one would have to agree that the Government simply cannot be allowed to make these judgment calls... which leaves only the people who create these things. The only way to stop them from potentially causing harm... is for them to never be in anyone's hands.
Since I'm sure someone is going to say that it's not good for anyone to slow the progression of science based on their own judgment, I'm going to go ahead and preemptively point out that that is precisely what an ethical person should do.
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