Punk quits WWE (Rumor)

[TomJohns]

Jan 30, 2014 9:44:21 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Less than 1 minute in, and I'm already calling BS. I don't for a second believe that Punk gives a rats ass that Bryan won't be at Wrestlemania. He's pissed that HE won't be at Wrestlemania

I genuinely believe he wanted Bryan in the main-event of Mania. Because I noted he didn't mention who he wanted Bryan to face, So I'd guess he wanted what many fans wanted at Mania and that would be CM Punk VS Daniel Bryan

[wildknight]

Speaking of wrestler egoes... somewhere around 7 minutes in, Hall gets to talking about Bret Hart's house being a Shrine... to Bret Hart.

... to be fair to Bret, if I had a wrestling career, my house would be a shrine to it too 8)

[TomJohns]

Jan 30, 2014 9:57:41 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Speaking of wrestler egoes... somewhere around 7 minutes in, Hall gets to talking about Bret Hart's house being a Shrine... to Bret Hart.

... to be fair to Bret, if I had a wrestling career, my house would be a shrine to it too 8)

Haven't watched/listened to it yet, But isn't it pretty much the norm for wrestlers to have some sort of shrine to them in their houses?

I mean RVD Has all the titles he's won on display as well as a copy of every action figure ever made of him, Edge, The Rock, Kofi, Austin & A Whole bunch of others have the same.

Edit: Yeah the portrait above the bed sounded a bit much, The way Hall described it was as if he wasn't doing it justice, as in a "You gotta see it to believe it" type of thing.

[wildknight]

I would suspect that most wrestlers who have had a good long career have some place that they keep some mementos. Rock talked about how, when he was married, his wife allowed him to have one (and only one) shelving unit in the family living room to display his titles, etc, and I know that Hogan was forced to keep all of his mementos in his gym because Linda wouldn't allow them anywhere else.

What Hall is talking about is Hart having every single room with some kind of reminder that Bret was BRET "HITMAN" HART!. He doesn't seem like he wants to burn Bret by saying those things, he comes across as if he genuinely likes Bret, he just seems to be questioning the need to have so much.

... of course, Hall is a notorious egomaniac himself as well

[Rush]

Jan 30, 2014 10:10:56 GMT -5 wildknight said:

I would suspect that most wrestlers who have had a good long career have some place that they keep some mementos. Rock talked about how, when he was married, his wife allowed him to have one (and only one) shelving unit in the family living room to display his titles, etc, and I know that Hogan was forced to keep all of his mementos in his gym because Linda wouldn't allow them anywhere else.

What Hall is talking about is Hart having every single room with some kind of reminder that Bret was BRET "HITMAN" HART!. He doesn't seem like he wants to burn Bret by saying those things, he comes across as if he genuinely likes Bret, he just seems to be questioning the need to have so much.

... of course, Hall is a notorious egomaniac himself as well

That irritates me. Those guys are the obviously the bread winner by a far lead and it's cause of them that the wives can live the life they do. They shouldnt say shit about whst goes where.

[wildknight]

Jan 30, 2014 11:21:00 GMT -5 Rush said:

That irritates me. Those guys are the obviously the bread winner by a far lead and it's cause of them that the wives can live the life they do. They shouldnt say s*** about whst goes where.

I love you brother, but you've got a lot to learn about women.

To a guy, how a home is decorated isn't that important. It's not in our psychological makeup. We want our big screen TV and our video games and whatnot, but for the most part, our sense of well-being isn't wrapped up in what color the walls are or whether our favorite poster is in the foyer. For women, that stuff is part of what makes the difference between "the place they happen to live" and "a home." There are so many areas in a relationship in which a man can and should take the lead, but decorating is an area where we can let them have their way and it costs us nothing.

... unless they're the nutty kind that wants to redecorate the house every couple of years. Then it costs us thousands of dollars.

[Rush]

Jan 30, 2014 11:24:54 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Jan 30, 2014 11:21:00 GMT -5 Rush said:

That irritates me. Those guys are the obviously the bread winner by a far lead and it's cause of them that the wives can live the life they do. They shouldnt say s*** about whst goes where.

I love you brother, but you've got a lot to learn about women.

To a guy, how a home is decorated isn't that important. It's not in our psychological makeup. We want our big screen TV and our video games and whatnot, but for the most part, our sense of well-being isn't wrapped up in what color the walls are or whether our favorite poster is in the foyer. For women, that stuff is part of what makes the difference between "the place they happen to live" and "a home." There are so many areas in a relationship in which a man can and should take the lead, but decorating is an area where we can let them have their way and it costs us nothing.

... unless they're the nutty kind that wants to redecorate the house every couple of years. Then it costs us thousands of dollars.

Yea I don't plan on getting married anytime soon. I got stuff I want to do before then. I would like to be financially secure first. I always told my self 25 years old is when I will starting contemplating marriage and kids. Unless I get curveball and find out I'm gonna be daddy to tommorow

[TomJohns]

Jan 30, 2014 11:24:54 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Jan 30, 2014 11:21:00 GMT -5 Rush said:

That irritates me. Those guys are the obviously the bread winner by a far lead and it's cause of them that the wives can live the life they do. They shouldnt say s*** about whst goes where.

I love you brother, but you've got a lot to learn about women.

To a guy, how a home is decorated isn't that important. It's not in our psychological makeup. We want our big screen TV and our video games and whatnot, but for the most part, our sense of well-being isn't wrapped up in what color the walls are or whether our favorite poster is in the foyer. For women, that stuff is part of what makes the difference between "the place they happen to live" and "a home." There are so many areas in a relationship in which a man can and should take the lead, but decorating is an area where we can let them have their way and it costs us nothing.

... unless they're the nutty kind that wants to redecorate the house every couple of years. Then it costs us thousands of dollars.

You didn't mention that they are also wrestlers, So they are rarely living in the house anyways.... Well the ones that aren't retired.

[wildknight]

Jan 30, 2014 11:59:29 GMT -5 TomJohns said:

You didn't mention that they are also wrestlers, So they are rarely living in the house anyways.... Well the ones that aren't retired.

There is that, also

[setokaiba]

Cena's fortress of solitude seems like a big waste of money if he can't even stay there

[wildknight]

Jan 30, 2014 12:12:07 GMT -5 setokaiba said:

Cena's fortress of solitude seems like a big waste of money if he can't even stay there

Nah. You've gotta have something to go home to, even if you're not there very long.

[WSS?]

Jan 30, 2014 11:34:52 GMT -5 Rush said:

I would like to be financially secure first.

You're already doing a lot better than most people, then.

Unless I get curveball and find out I'm gonna be daddy to tommorow

...Alright then...

[wildknight]

Jan 30, 2014 13:02:39 GMT -5 WSS? said:

Jan 30, 2014 11:34:52 GMT -5 Rush said:

I would like to be financially secure first.

You're already doing a lot better than most people, then.

No, he's not. The desire to be "financially secure" before you start a family is one of the biggest fallacies perpetrated on our culture in the last 50 years, and is a huge element of cultural decline. It's a completely arbitrary standard at any rate.

[WSS?]

Oh right, forgot your stance on having children. "Just keep pumpin' out them babies, then EVERYTHING'LL go right!"

[wildknight]

Jan 30, 2014 13:10:15 GMT -5 WSS? said:

Oh right, forgot your stance on having children. "Just keep pumpin' out them babies, then EVERYTHING'LL go right!"

That's hardly what I said. This reminds me of the time that you jumped on soon because he disagreed with you about getting women pregnant. You seem to have some pretty interesting operational assumptions about families in general and men in particular.

[TomJohns]

Another Update.

As we've noted this week, some of CM Punk's frustration had to do with being booked against Triple H in a match at WrestleMania XXX. Word is that Punk felt that a program with Triple H is not a "big feud and a big match" when he's stated numerous times that he wanted to main event the biggest show of the year.



Regarding Punk's future with WWE, it's said that Vince McMahon wants Punk back but Triple H has mixed feelings on the situation. Triple H reportedly feels disrespected by Punk but is letting Vince handle things.

[WSS?]

Jan 30, 2014 13:21:37 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Jan 30, 2014 13:10:15 GMT -5 WSS? said:

Oh right, forgot your stance on having children. "Just keep pumpin' out them babies, then EVERYTHING'LL go right!"

That's hardly what I said. This reminds me of the time that you jumped on soon because he disagreed with you about getting women pregnant. You seem to have some pretty interesting operational assumptions about families in general and men in particular.

...I'm not sure how I'm supposed to take that statement.

[wildknight]

Jan 30, 2014 14:15:56 GMT -5 WSS? said:

Jan 30, 2014 13:21:37 GMT -5 wildknight said:

That's hardly what I said. This reminds me of the time that you jumped on soon because he disagreed with you about getting women pregnant. You seem to have some pretty interesting operational assumptions about families in general and men in particular.

...I'm not sure how I'm supposed to take that statement.

It was just an observation.

[TomJohns]

JR's thoughts on the situation.

The news of the day surrounds the talented CM Punk unexpectedly walking away from WWE.

Was it really unexpected? Likely not. Punk has not been a happy camper within WWE for quite some time. That point has been made abundantly clear on many occasions. He's tired, he's beat up, and he's not enjoying himself at work.

Before everyone analyzes this matter to death, let's break it down into a few basic points some of which I can speak on from experience as the former head of talent relations for WWE.

Matters such as this generally concern one or both of the Two C's....cash and/or creative.

Punk is mentally and physically burned out and he's not having enough professional fulfillment to work through his issues. He needs a break.

All talents are wired differently which is why they all cannot be managed the same or even treated the same in many instances.

Recognizing when a talent is getting frayed around the edges is management's job. Once the problem is identified it is incumbent upon everyone involved in the equation to work together to solve the problem through compromise and respect but most of all communication.

If the talent or the company is unwilling to compromise, then, most likely the problem won't be solved and, therefore, if a problem can't be solved there's only one other option to put in play and that is to eliminate the problem.

Punk is a very cerebral talent who has earned his stripes the hard way and has more than paid his dues. He's earned super star status via having numerous, main event classic bouts in WWE rings on huge stages. Coming to WWE was the greatest thing Punk could have done for himself professionally. He's become globally famous and has made a handsome amount of money thanks to the WWE machine.

The opportunities that WWE have provided Punk and then Punk maximizing those minutes and opportunities is what the synergy between a talent and a company should resemble.

I do not think that Punk has wrestled his last match in WWE. I do feel that it's best for all involved for Punk to take much needed time off even if it means that he misses a WrestleMania.

Some of the biggest 'hurt' that I've ever encountered professionally was not being a part of a handful of WrestleMania events. However, over time, I got over those moments even though at the time I was not in a "get over it" frame of mind. Some day Punk 'might' regret missing WM30, if he indeed does miss it, but today...not so much.

Time heals many things. Punk needs to go home and chill. Get healthy both mentally and physically and continue to communicate with WWE.

Punk has much to offer WWE and visa versa. Punk never has a stinker of a match and has built a magnificent brand while in WWE. On the other hand, WWE has utilized Punk in a variety of ways and each time, no matter the creative, Punk seemed to thrive.

It's been a great partnership in many ways. However, no one is saying that all great partnerships are always hearts and flowers. They rarely are.

I can name many great talents that I've personally worked with in WCW and WWE that were not always the easiest to work with but at the end of the day the business relationship, more often than not, became a win-win situation if both side maintained some level of honest communication.

One thing is for sure, when one door apparently closes, even if it's short term, another door opens for another talent to walk through and make a difference.

No, I don't think this is an elaborate, TV storyline but instead it's all about a highly motivated, talented wrestler who, at times, feeds off the chip on his shoulder, which is not a bad thing, who has hit the wall and isn't enjoying what once was his primary professional focus....dare say his life.

CM Punk has been good for WWE. WWE has been good for CM Punk. I'm hopeful that they will resolve their issues and be good together once again in the future. Hopefully, the lines of communications, to whatever degree that can be maintained will remain open. If so, then this matter has a much better chance of being rectified.

Boomer Sooner!


J.R.

(I hate that he signed off with "Boomer Sooner")

[wildknight]

I think JR is more optimistic than he should be... but it's basically his job to make it seem like everything is rosy in the House of the E, so no shock there. I agree with his general points, but I still think Punk is being, well, a punk 8)