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Post by TomJohns on Feb 5, 2014 11:22:28 GMT -5
If I was getting in the ring with a guy who made it his purpose to hurt me, The last thing I'd tell him about is my injury. Because by logic if someone WANTS to hurt you the first thing they are going for is that injury because they know that's guaranteed pain. I understand what you're saying... but imagine that it's your job to teach him to be better. I have no way of knowing if it's true, but the legend goes that Cena worked extremely stiff as "The Prototype" and it was Cornette that straightened him out. I understand what you're saying as well. As for Cena, It's been said by many in WWE he doesn't realize just how strong he is. So it probably is true he was stiff in his early days & It was more than likely unintentional stiffness. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 5, 2014 11:24:25 GMT -5
I don't like Cena, but I don't think he ever set out to hurt people. He was just young and eager. Guys really like working with him now, including Orton who HATES taking stiff shots, so I'm guessing Cena is gentle these days.
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 13:06:08 GMT -5
So your theory is that because Lesnar botched his own Finisher (again... he does it at least half of the time), he was "taking care" of Big Show? This kind of garbage is why I can't take Lesnar fans seriously. What a load of manure. "Took care of" my ass. Even when Saint Lesnar botches badly, it's going to be interpreted as a show of excellence by you people. You think that he would've did it correctly with the weight of the Big Show? Yeah, he was better off not doing it at all. And can't take Brock Lesnar fans seriously? Not defending all, just me. How can I take you serious for listening to a guy you hate talking about another guy you hate, and then make a thread about the main guy you hate? Now I know you don't like the word "hater", but you fit the description. You said that "Lesnar botched his own finisher", in what way? Was Big Show hurt? Was Brock Lesnar stiff doing it? |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 5, 2014 13:13:17 GMT -5
So your theory is that because Lesnar botched his own Finisher (again... he does it at least half of the time), he was "taking care" of Big Show? This kind of garbage is why I can't take Lesnar fans seriously. What a load of manure. "Took care of" my ass. Even when Saint Lesnar botches badly, it's going to be interpreted as a show of excellence by you people. You think that he would've did it correctly with the weight of the Big Show? Yeah, he was better off not doing it at all. And can't take Brock Lesnar fans seriously? Not defending all, just me. How can I take you serious for listening to a guy you hate talking about another guy you hate, and then make a thread about the main guy you hate? Now I know you don't like the word "hater", but you fit the description. You said that "Lesnar botched his own finisher", in what way? Was Big Show hurt? Was Brock Lesnar stiff doing it? First of all, Lesnar has done the F5 to Show many times, so your "it's impossible to F5 the Big Show the right way" argument is invalid. Second of all, the first point answered your parting question. He botched the move because that's not what it's supposed to look like. |
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 13:44:44 GMT -5
You think that he would've did it correctly with the weight of the Big Show? Yeah, he was better off not doing it at all. And can't take Brock Lesnar fans seriously? Not defending all, just me. How can I take you serious for listening to a guy you hate talking about another guy you hate, and then make a thread about the main guy you hate? Now I know you don't like the word "hater", but you fit the description. You said that "Lesnar botched his own finisher", in what way? Was Big Show hurt? Was Brock Lesnar stiff doing it? First of all, Lesnar has done the F5 to Show many times, so your "it's impossible to F5 the Big Show the right way" argument is invalid. Second of all, the first point answered your parting question. He botched the move because that's not what it's supposed to look like. Right, he have. It's why I said what I have said about him F-Fiving Big Show at this year Rumble. If this 1 was botched, were the other ones better? Also, age plays a factor, because he did it many times how long ago? |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 5, 2014 13:46:45 GMT -5
Right, he have. It's why I said what I have said about him F-Fiving Big Show at this year Rumble. If this 1 was botched, were the other ones better? Also, age plays a factor, because he did it many times how long ago? I would say that, yes, the other ones (on Show) were better... but he's hit several very sloppy F5s since his return. The one on McMahon looked terrible. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 5, 2014 13:52:23 GMT -5
Right, he have. It's why I said what I have said about him F-Fiving Big Show at this year Rumble. If this 1 was botched, were the other ones better? Also, age plays a factor, because he did it many times how long ago? I would say that, yes, the other ones (on Show) were better... but he's hit several very sloppy F5s since his return. The one on McMahon looked terrible. the one on McMahon looked like assault.. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 5, 2014 13:55:12 GMT -5
I would say that, yes, the other ones (on Show) were better... but he's hit several very sloppy F5s since his return. The one on McMahon looked terrible. the one on McMahon looked like assault.. In that case, I'm willing to put at least equal blame on Vince. It's been forever since he's worked regularly, and it's possible he just wasn't properly cooperating with the move or something. ... that or Lesnar vastly overestimated Vince's weight, because it looked like Brock just tossed Vince through the air like a feather |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 5, 2014 13:57:21 GMT -5
the one on McMahon looked like assault.. In that case, I'm willing to put at least equal blame on Vince. It's been forever since he's worked regularly, and it's possible he just wasn't properly cooperating with the move or something. ... that or Lesnar vastly overestimated Vince's weight, because it looked like Brock just tossed Vince through the air like a feather the worst was Albert's. |
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 14:00:25 GMT -5
Right, he have. It's why I said what I have said about him F-Fiving Big Show at this year Rumble. If this 1 was botched, were the other ones better? Also, age plays a factor, because he did it many times how long ago? I would say that, yes, the other ones (on Show) were better... but he's hit several very sloppy F5s since his return. The one on McMahon looked terrible. That F-5 look the same as the 1 he did at the Rumble. As he swings them to the side, he's tossing them upwards. That might be his way of putting his name on that move. But I don't think it's terrible. I don't even think it was bad. I'm guessing your perfect F-5 would be coming from Gunner, which like normal. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 5, 2014 14:02:09 GMT -5
I would say that, yes, the other ones (on Show) were better... but he's hit several very sloppy F5s since his return. The one on McMahon looked terrible. That F-5 look the same as the 1 he did at the Rumble. As he swings them to the side, he's tossing them upwards. That might be his way of putting his name on that move. But I don't think it's terrible. I don't even think it was bad. I'm guessing your perfect F-5 would be coming from Gunner, which like normal. what? |
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 14:02:28 GMT -5
I would say that, yes, the other ones (on Show) were better... but he's hit several very sloppy F5s since his return. The one on McMahon looked terrible. the one on McMahon looked like assault.. That was the point though, wasn't it? |
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 14:03:15 GMT -5
That F-5 look the same as the 1 he did at the Rumble. As he swings them to the side, he's tossing them upwards. That might be his way of putting his name on that move. But I don't think it's terrible. I don't even think it was bad. I'm guessing your perfect F-5 would be coming from Gunner, which like normal. what? Be more specific. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 5, 2014 14:05:36 GMT -5
Isn't Gunner that guy that works for TNA? If he does an F5, I can't say I've seen it.
Lesnar's is terrible because he just tosses the guy, which is why he's hurt more people with it than he's ever landed safely.
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Post by muta75 on Feb 5, 2014 14:05:54 GMT -5
the one on McMahon looked like assault.. That was the point though, wasn't it? uh no. well...kinda but no.. more specifically, when a move lands, i never want to worry if a person was legit hurt by it..McMahon looked like he was hurt.. |
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 14:11:30 GMT -5
Isn't Gunner that guy that works for TNA? If he does an F5, I can't say I've seen it. Lesnar's is terrible because he just tosses the guy, which is why he's hurt more people with it than he's ever landed safely. LOL Yo, you don't watch TNA? It's not watchable, but I watch it from time to time. |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 5, 2014 14:12:04 GMT -5
That was the point though, wasn't it? uh no. well...kinda but no.. more specifically, when a move lands, i never want to worry if a person was legit hurt by it..McMahon looked like he was hurt.. Vince was hurt before getting in the ring though. That's why they done the whole "Broken Hip" story, He was scheduled in for surgery and that was their way of writing him out the story for a while. |
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Post by Double-H215 on Feb 5, 2014 14:13:09 GMT -5
That was the point though, wasn't it? uh no. well...kinda but no.. more specifically, when a move lands, i never want to worry if a person was legit hurt by it..McMahon looked like he was hurt.. Same here, but Vince would most like get hurt at the age he is. But he wasn't hurt. |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 5, 2014 14:13:30 GMT -5
Isn't Gunner that guy that works for TNA? If he does an F5, I can't say I've seen it. Lesnar's is terrible because he just tosses the guy, which is why he's hurt more people with it than he's ever landed safely. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 5, 2014 14:14:01 GMT -5
uh no. well...kinda but no.. more specifically, when a move lands, i never want to worry if a person was legit hurt by it..McMahon looked like he was hurt.. Vince was hurt before getting in the ring though. That's why they done the whole "Broken Hip" story, He was scheduled in for surgery and that was their way of writing him out the story for a while. i get that, but if i weren't smartened up to that, i would have watched that and thought "holy fuck nut butter, he just killed his boss!!". it looked really bad.. |
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