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Post by Gmensox007 on Feb 12, 2014 12:37:25 GMT -5
His ring work is at best decent and at worst dangerous...... Yeah, he's not great, and he never will be. That doesn't mean he hasn't improved. Also; when was Cena ever "dangerous?" Can anyone honestly ever think of a time when John Cena injured anyone? I meant dangerous in that he hurts himself......he has been injured by his own carelessness dozens of times..... |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 12, 2014 12:38:17 GMT -5
no it's a serious compliment to the work Cena has put in. not everyone has the same learning curve, not everyone has the same physical tools..he worked his ass off, he deserves some credit for that.. I actually agree with muta. Cena may not be a great wrestler, and probably never will, but the reality is that most guys when they reach the top, stop progressing. Cena put the work in, and that's admirable. Honestly, I would have no problem with Cena if not for the way WWE pushes him. Not only is he rarely defeated and seemingly always in the Main Event... the WWE commentary teams are seemingly not allowed to ever say anything negative about him. According to this site == www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-highest-win-percentages.html == Cena has a Win percentage of "67.0659%" in 668 matches. A lower win percentage than Sabu, Rick Rude, Bret Hart, Bo Dallas and Hornswoggle to name just a few. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 12, 2014 12:41:17 GMT -5
Yeah, he's not great, and he never will be. That doesn't mean he hasn't improved. Also; when was Cena ever "dangerous?" Can anyone honestly ever think of a time when John Cena injured anyone? I meant dangerous in that he hurts himself......he has been injured by his own carelessness dozens of times..... if he's injuring himself (which i take great umbrage with) he's likely doing it to protect the guy he's working with. that says more about his character than anything.. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 12:41:26 GMT -5
I actually agree with muta. Cena may not be a great wrestler, and probably never will, but the reality is that most guys when they reach the top, stop progressing. Cena put the work in, and that's admirable. Honestly, I would have no problem with Cena if not for the way WWE pushes him. Not only is he rarely defeated and seemingly always in the Main Event... the WWE commentary teams are seemingly not allowed to ever say anything negative about him. According to this site == www.profightdb.com/wrestlers-with-highest-win-percentages.html == Cena has a Win percentage of "67.0659%" in 668 matches. A lower win percentage than Sabu, Rick Rude, Bret Hart, Bo Dallas and Hornswoggle to name just a few. ... the only way that's possibly accurate is if he lost a lot of matches in his "bad year", because the last time we were looking at stats, Cena was in the top 5 on all 3 major reporting sites for win percentage, up there with Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker, guys who almost never lose. Cena has a worse win percentage than Bret Hart? No. Just... no. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 12:41:56 GMT -5
I meant dangerous in that he hurts himself......he has been injured by his own carelessness dozens of times..... if he's injuring himself (which i take great umbrage with) he's likely doing it to protect the guy he's working with. that says more about his character than anything.. When did Cena ever hurt himself? LOL I mean, name once, to say nothing of "dozens of times"  |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 12, 2014 12:47:25 GMT -5
... the only way that's possibly accurate is if he lost a lot of matches in his "bad year", because the last time we were looking at stats, Cena was in the top 5 on all 3 major reporting sites for win percentage, up there with Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker, guys who almost never lose. Cena has a worse win percentage than Bret Hart? No. Just... no. I believe that's over the course of his entire wrestling career. Undertaker has less than Cena on the list. Warrior is 1st with 88.___% You also have to take into account that Cena is listed as wrestling more matches that Bret Hart, If it were the same amount I'm sure Cena would be higher than Bret. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 12:48:52 GMT -5
... the only way that's possibly accurate is if he lost a lot of matches in his "bad year", because the last time we were looking at stats, Cena was in the top 5 on all 3 major reporting sites for win percentage, up there with Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker, guys who almost never lose. Cena has a worse win percentage than Bret Hart? No. Just... no. I believe that's over the course of his entire wrestling career. Undertaker has less than Cena on the list. Warrior is 1st with 88.___% You also have to take into account that Cena is listed as wrestling more matches that Bret Hart, If it were the same amount I'm sure Cena would be higher than Bret. Of course Cena has wrestled more matches than Bret. Bret's career was cut short, and for most of his career there was no such thing as 1 ppv/month and two TV shows a week. |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 12, 2014 12:51:18 GMT -5
I believe that's over the course of his entire wrestling career. Undertaker has less than Cena on the list. Warrior is 1st with 88.___% You also have to take into account that Cena is listed as wrestling more matches that Bret Hart, If it were the same amount I'm sure Cena would be higher than Bret. Of course Cena has wrestled more matches than Bret. Bret's career was cut short, and for most of his career there was no such thing as 1 ppv/month and two TV shows a week. & That's why Bret has a higher Win % |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 12:52:53 GMT -5
Of course Cena has wrestled more matches than Bret. Bret's career was cut short, and for most of his career there was no such thing as 1 ppv/month and two TV shows a week. & That's why Bret has a higher Win % You realize that argument makes no sense, right? 8) Also, I still don't buy those numbers. The only way that's accurate is if they're considering whole career, not within a specific gimmick... and then I have no idea how Warrior's win percentage is so high, because he wasn't always a big deal. |
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 12, 2014 12:55:02 GMT -5
& That's why Bret has a higher Win % You realize that argument makes no sense, right? 8) Also, I still don't buy those numbers. The only way that's accurate is if they're considering whole career, not within a specific gimmick... and then I have no idea how Warrior's win percentage is so high, because he wasn't always a big deal. They are considering their entire career. Taker in WCW Cena as The Termin.... Prototype |
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Post by Gmensox007 on Feb 12, 2014 12:56:04 GMT -5
You realize that argument makes no sense, right? 8) Also, I still don't buy those numbers. The only way that's accurate is if they're considering whole career, not within a specific gimmick... and then I have no idea how Warrior's win percentage is so high, because he wasn't always a big deal. They are considering their entire career. Taker in WCW Cena as The Termin.... Prototype HAHAHAHAHA The Cena-Naitor |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 12:56:25 GMT -5
... yeah, I don't see how that's possibly true. Cena won virtually every match as The Prototype. The hype surrounding him was massive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 13:09:50 GMT -5
Yeah, Cena's pants need more yellow. I'm not blind enough from looking at them. They're preferable to his jorts |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 12, 2014 13:10:52 GMT -5
... yeah, I don't see how that's possibly true. Cena won virtually every match as The Prototype. The hype surrounding him was massive. yeah Cena was never a "job-guy" not to the level some of the other guys of his stature were. HBK hardly ever got anything by way of offense in AWA pre-Midnight Rocker days... |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 13:39:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Cena's pants need more yellow. I'm not blind enough from looking at them. They're preferable to his jorts I don't know when jean shorts became socially unacceptable. I still wear them. I probably wouldn't choose them as my "fight gear, " but I'd choose them over bright yellow pants for any purpose |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2014 13:42:18 GMT -5
They're preferable to his jorts I don't know when jean shorts became socially unacceptable. I still wear them. I probably wouldn't choose them as my "fight gear, " but I'd choose them over bright yellow pants for any purpose Sept 16th 1997  |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 12, 2014 13:43:46 GMT -5
... the only way that's possibly accurate is if he lost a lot of matches in his "bad year", because the last time we were looking at stats, Cena was in the top 5 on all 3 major reporting sites for win percentage, up there with Ultimate Warrior and Undertaker, guys who almost never lose. Cena has a worse win percentage than Bret Hart? No. Just... no. Those things are correct most of the time (though I have seen one mistake in the years that I've used it). |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 12, 2014 13:45:12 GMT -5
& That's why Bret has a higher Win % You realize that argument makes no sense, right? 8) Also, I still don't buy those numbers. The only way that's accurate is if they're considering whole career, not within a specific gimmick... and then I have no idea how Warrior's win percentage is so high, because he wasn't always a big deal. It is the whole career (meaning not even only in WWE). |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 12, 2014 14:25:21 GMT -5
we call jorts "shants" bit classier that way. i'm almost always in shorts of some kind. "shants" are better simply because the pockets on basketball shorts are useless. lost a pay envelope in them about 10 years back. sworn them off since that day..
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Post by wildknight on Feb 12, 2014 14:29:01 GMT -5
... I prefer to wear jean shorts for the exact same reason. I need my pockets LOL
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