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Post by wildknight on Feb 13, 2014 20:32:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I think that I was pretty insensitive up there. I really feel bad about that now. But, he does deserve to be in the HOF, though. This is how I look at it; the HoF has nothing to do with who "deserves" to be in there. Drew Carey and Pete Rose are in the HoF. The HoF is about who Vince McMahon can put in there. Obviously most fans know that if the HoF were really about who the greatest workers were, Owen would be a lock. |
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Post by number1jf on Feb 13, 2014 20:35:19 GMT -5
I don't even know why I wrote that, I feel like such an ass now, I really must've been in some kind of a mood then. I'm over it know & I want you guys to know that I was mad about the HOF thing & I hope that you don't think less of me for posting without using my brain first. I apologize for that post, I really didn't mean it. It was a mistake.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 13, 2014 20:36:42 GMT -5
I don't even know why I wrote that, I feel like such an ass now, I really must've been in some kind of a mood then. I'm over it know & I want you guys to know that I was mad about the HOF thing & I hope that you don't think less of me for posting without using my brain first. I apologize for that post, I really didn't mean it. It was a mistake. Don't worry. We have all at some point made some assholish/insensitive comment. Me especially... |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 13, 2014 20:38:42 GMT -5
I don't even know why I wrote that, I feel like such an ass now, I really must've been in some kind of a mood then. I'm over it know & I want you guys to know that I was mad about the HOF thing & I hope that you don't think less of me for posting without using my brain first. I apologize for that post, I really didn't mean it. It was a mistake. You're right, you're a ho. I'm taking the mod title away from you because of your rant. That was a joke. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 13, 2014 20:42:54 GMT -5
Owen isn't in the Wrestling Observer HoF either?
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Post by wildknight on Feb 13, 2014 20:51:02 GMT -5
Owen isn't in the Wrestling Observer HoF either? Beats me |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 13, 2014 20:56:35 GMT -5
Owen isn't in the Wrestling Observer HoF either? Beats me i checked, Nick Paglino wrote... Saying “no” to some candidates is tough. Edge was great, but never at the very, very top of WWE. Same with Owen Hart. Owen’s pushes often rode Bret’s coattails, and I don’t give bonus points for tragedy. Curt Hennig was excellent in-ring, but he was Intercontinental level. Sting is the toughest thumbs down. But his stint in TNA hasn’t helped, and I go back to his first world title win at the 1990 Great American Bash in Baltimore: When Sting won the belt, his pop diminished moving forward. He just wasn’t seen as a world champ. Had a great career. Loved the “Crow” stuff. I may change my mind. But right now, no. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 13, 2014 20:58:15 GMT -5
and to further enrage Knight (i know you don't go rage) he said this about Brock Lesnar..
Brock Lesnar isn’t a legendary sports entertainer, but him crossing over between UFC and WWE can’t be ignored. When Lesnar went from WWE to UFC and cleaned everybody out, winning the UFC title, it struck a blow for fake wrestling’s credibility at a time when, ironically, that’s the last thing fake wrestling was looking for. It’s a shame WWE didn’t use Lesnar correctly upon his return, but that’s what WWE does: Blows paydays by using people incorrectly. This is about buzz, not money, but Lesnar blew a lot of minds by doing what he did.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 13, 2014 20:59:10 GMT -5
i checked, Nick Paglino wrote... Saying “no” to some candidates is tough. Edge was great, but never at the very, very top of WWE. Same with Owen Hart. Owen’s pushes often rode Bret’s coattails, and I don’t give bonus points for tragedy. Curt Hennig was excellent in-ring, but he was Intercontinental level. Sting is the toughest thumbs down. But his stint in TNA hasn’t helped, and I go back to his first world title win at the 1990 Great American Bash in Baltimore: When Sting won the belt, his pop diminished moving forward. He just wasn’t seen as a world champ. Had a great career. Loved the “Crow” stuff. I may change my mind. But right now, no. Won't let Curt Hennig in because he was "Intercontinental level?" |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 13, 2014 21:01:14 GMT -5
and to further enrage Knight (i know you don't go rage) he said this about Brock Lesnar.. Brock Lesnar isn’t a legendary sports entertainer, but him crossing over between UFC and WWE can’t be ignored. When Lesnar went from WWE to UFC and cleaned everybody out, winning the UFC title, it struck a blow for fake wrestling’s credibility at a time when, ironically, that’s the last thing fake wrestling was looking for. It’s a shame WWE didn’t use Lesnar correctly upon his return, but that’s what WWE does: Blows paydays by using people incorrectly. This is about buzz, not money, but Lesnar blew a lot of minds by doing what he did. Why would that enrage me? This guy is clearly an idiot. Him defending putting Lesnar in while denying that Edge was a genuine top guy and keeping Owen out because his full potential was never realized is all part of the same sad little delusion this guy has. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 13, 2014 21:02:03 GMT -5
i checked, Nick Paglino wrote... Saying “no” to some candidates is tough. Edge was great, but never at the very, very top of WWE. Same with Owen Hart. Owen’s pushes often rode Bret’s coattails, and I don’t give bonus points for tragedy. Curt Hennig was excellent in-ring, but he was Intercontinental level. Sting is the toughest thumbs down. But his stint in TNA hasn’t helped, and I go back to his first world title win at the 1990 Great American Bash in Baltimore: When Sting won the belt, his pop diminished moving forward. He just wasn’t seen as a world champ. Had a great career. Loved the “Crow” stuff. I may change my mind. But right now, no. Won't let Curt Hennig in because he was "Intercontinental level?" see what he wrote about Sting?!?!? i'm not a big fan of Sting, but...duh HoF...easiest of the easy ins -waits for soon to see what he wrote about Lesnar- |
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Post by skylerb97 on Feb 13, 2014 21:03:38 GMT -5
i checked, Nick Paglino wrote... Saying “no” to some candidates is tough. Edge was great, but never at the very, very top of WWE. Same with Owen Hart. Owen’s pushes often rode Bret’s coattails, and I don’t give bonus points for tragedy. Curt Hennig was excellent in-ring, but he was Intercontinental level. Sting is the toughest thumbs down. But his stint in TNA hasn’t helped, and I go back to his first world title win at the 1990 Great American Bash in Baltimore: When Sting won the belt, his pop diminished moving forward. He just wasn’t seen as a world champ. Had a great career. Loved the “Crow” stuff. I may change my mind. But right now, no. Won't let Curt Hennig in because he was "Intercontinental level?" Can't be helped that Curt worked in a time when match quality wasn't really that important. (Arguing the point made in the quote not yours) I've always thought if he was younger and healthier in the New Generation Era he probably would've been champ |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 13, 2014 21:03:51 GMT -5
and to further enrage Knight (i know you don't go rage) he said this about Brock Lesnar.. Brock Lesnar isn’t a legendary sports entertainer, but him crossing over between UFC and WWE can’t be ignored. When Lesnar went from WWE to UFC and cleaned everybody out, winning the UFC title, it struck a blow for fake wrestling’s credibility at a time when, ironically, that’s the last thing fake wrestling was looking for. It’s a shame WWE didn’t use Lesnar correctly upon his return, but that’s what WWE does: Blows paydays by using people incorrectly. This is about buzz, not money, but Lesnar blew a lot of minds by doing what he did. Why would that enrage me? This guy is clearly an idiot. Him defending putting Lesnar in while denying that Edge was a genuine top guy and keeping Owen out because his full potential was never realized is all part of the same sad little delusion this guy has. i know you don't rage, but that actually kinda pissed me off. i'm a Brock guy, and all 3 of the guys he says "no" to belong way before Brock does... |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 13, 2014 21:03:51 GMT -5
Won't let Curt Hennig in because he was "Intercontinental level?" see what he wrote about Sting?!?!? i'm not a big fan of Sting, but...duh HoF...easiest of the easy ins -waits for soon to see what he wrote about Lesnar- The thing he wrote about Lesnar just made me laugh. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 13, 2014 21:06:53 GMT -5
i know you don't rage, but that actually kinda pissed me off. i'm a Brock guy, and all 3 of the guys he says "no" to belong way before Brock does... I agree, but there's no point in getting upset about a fool being a fool. Sting? Sting??? Sting doesn't deserve to be in a wrestling HoF? How on earth does that creep into anyone's head? |
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Post by skylerb97 on Feb 13, 2014 21:09:32 GMT -5
i know you don't rage, but that actually kinda pissed me off. i'm a Brock guy, and all 3 of the guys he says "no" to belong way before Brock does... I agree, but there's no point in getting upset about a fool being a fool. Sting? Sting??? Sting doesn't deserve to be in a wrestling HoF? How on earth does that creep into anyone's head? Does Sting really deserve many accolades? The man put on some great performances when working with guys who had ring psychology but he was never anything special in any regard of performance |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 13, 2014 21:14:18 GMT -5
Does Sting really deserve many accolades? The man put on some great performances when working with guys who had ring psychology but he was never anything special in any regard of performance I'm not going to get into a debate over whether he deserves his place in wrestling history or not. The fact that he was one of the biggest names in the history of the business is indisputable. Of course he deserves to be in the HoF. He's one of the biggest stars in the history of the business and is arguably one-half of the biggest rivalry WCW had in the Monday Night Wars era. |
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Post by muta75 on Feb 13, 2014 21:14:32 GMT -5
I agree, but there's no point in getting upset about a fool being a fool. Sting? Sting??? Sting doesn't deserve to be in a wrestling HoF? How on earth does that creep into anyone's head? Does Sting really deserve many accolades? The man put on some great performances when working with guys who had ring psychology but he was never anything special in any regard of performance to put it simply, yes he does... |
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Post by skylerb97 on Feb 13, 2014 21:17:05 GMT -5
Does Sting really deserve many accolades? The man put on some great performances when working with guys who had ring psychology but he was never anything special in any regard of performance I'm not going to get into a debate over whether he deserves his place in wrestling history or not. The fact that he was one of the biggest names in the history of the business is indisputable. Of course he deserves to be in the HoF. He's one of the biggest stars in the history of the business and is arguably one-half of the biggest rivalry WCW had in the Monday Night Wars era. I'm not choosing to be willfully ignorant of his drawing power as that is a factor. In the end it comes down to "do you reward them more for buisiness accomplishments or talent" and flies their need to be a balance their? |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 13, 2014 21:20:11 GMT -5
I'm not choosing to be willfully ignorant of his drawing power as that is a factor. In the end it comes down to "do you reward them more for buisiness accomplishments or talent" and flies their need to be a balance their? Ideally I think you should reward both. The "big draw" guys need the workhorses, and vice versa. Besides, I think you're underestimating Sting's ringwork. I know muta isn't much of a fan, but I feel like Sting was always fast and explosive, had a pretty broad arsenal throughout most of his career... and not a lot of guys his size were using military presses, etc. I think Sting brought a lot to the table. In a lot of ways, he was the anti-Flair, in a good way. |
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