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Post by wildknight on Feb 20, 2014 14:55:03 GMT -5
I don't see why race shouldn't be any different from hair color, but sure, let's just go with whatever you say. ... because your hair color doesn't translate any kind of cultural identity, where your skin color does? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 14:55:11 GMT -5
So it's settled. F. Murray Abraham is the next Blade
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Post by wildknight on Feb 20, 2014 14:55:40 GMT -5
So it's settled. F. Murray Abraham is the next Blade I'd watch it. |
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Post by WSS? on Feb 20, 2014 14:58:58 GMT -5
I don't see why race shouldn't be any different from hair color, but sure, let's just go with whatever you say. ... because your hair color doesn't translate any kind of cultural identity, where your skin color does? ...Yeah, I don't agree. I'm white, but that shouldn't influence my behavior. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 20, 2014 14:59:36 GMT -5
Does this mean that Patrick Stewart can be John Stewart?
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 20, 2014 15:02:45 GMT -5
... because your hair color doesn't translate any kind of cultural identity, where your skin color does? ...Yeah, I don't agree. I'm white, but that shouldn't influence my behavior. ......I don't know if you're being serious or not. Just because you don't act differently, doesn't mean that other white people, black people, yellow people, or whatever people don't act differently. In fact, I know quite a few people that at differently or a certain way, just because of their race. But even then, we're talking about Comic Book Characters and their backgrounds. Luke Cage was based on the fact he was black. Now imagine him being white. |
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Post by WSS? on Feb 20, 2014 15:05:18 GMT -5
I'm not disputing that other people act stereotypical, I'm disputing the idea that I should act stereotypical.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 15:08:37 GMT -5
I'll be honest I want my already Iconic Comic book characters to be portrayed as closely to the Character as possible.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 20, 2014 15:11:55 GMT -5
I want them to make movie on somebody completely irrelevant. Like......Douglock or Ka-Zar.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 15:20:16 GMT -5
I want them to make movie on somebody completely irrelevant. Like......Douglock or Ka-Zar. Like The up-and-coming Captain Glory Film starring Ryan Gossling  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 15:22:05 GMT -5
I'm not gonna lie though I would love to see "The Flaming Carrot" done by somebody like Terry Gilliam
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 20, 2014 15:22:29 GMT -5
I want them to make movie on somebody completely irrelevant. Like......Douglock or Ka-Zar. Like The up-and-coming Captain Glory Film starring Ryan Gossling I was talking about Marvel and/or DC. I'm not a fan of Topps, Dark Horse, and I don't like most of Image either (though Image has some good ones). I was talking about characters we all know, but never thought they'd get a movie. Kind of like Ant-Man....but not really. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Feb 20, 2014 15:41:01 GMT -5
Does this mean that Patrick Stewart can be John Stewart? I'm black and I approve that. I think it'd be fan-freaking-tastic. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 20, 2014 15:52:05 GMT -5
... because your hair color doesn't translate any kind of cultural identity, where your skin color does? ...Yeah, I don't agree. I'm white, but that shouldn't influence my behavior. That's something only a white person would say, and it's because your parents have utterly failed to give you any sense of cultural identity other than being "white." I am German, Scottish, and Irish. Coming from that background absolutely influences who I am on a daily basis. It's not just a skin color, it's a culture. It's not about behaving "stereotypically"... it's about respecting cultures and their inherent differences, and not trying to erase cultural identity from the tableau of world society. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 20, 2014 16:07:17 GMT -5
I agree, I liked him in Chronicle. The other male leads look like the mutant offspring of Richard Gere and Viggo Mortensen. But now how come you guys find it cheesy that a white comic book character is going to be played by the actor when everyone had a fit that I said the same exact thing about Electro? ... who had a fit? I don't like "race swaps," for characters, especially when they're done strictly for the purpose of generating interest in a character. Electro isn't as iconic as The Human Torch, but the same general principle applies. Every single person who responded to my comment that this "race swapping" fad is stupid gave me a hard time, saying that if the actor in question is talented then it shouldn't matter what they look like and that skin color should have nothing to do with it. I repeatedly pointed out that getting an actor who inherently looks nothing like the character they're portraying (eg the idea of getting a male to play Wonder Woman) is foolish and inaccurate and only done for reasons of political correctness, but I just kept on going in circles because everyone else said that they weren't going to get hung up on "appearance". I was also told that because Electro is a minor character it's "okay" whereas it would apparently be a bigger deal if it's a major character. This doesn't even get into the longstanding and clear-cut double standard of swapping ethnicities (cries of racism whenever someone wants to make non-Caucasian characters white). It's a stupid hornet's nest that doesn't need to be kicked- if a character is black, white or purple in his or her original state then why exactly does it need to be changed for modern movie audiences? |
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 20, 2014 16:10:32 GMT -5
...I have absolutely no problem with superheroes having their race changed. Guarantee you would if it were an iconic black character being turned into a white character. Guarantee it. This whole "lets be colorblind" thing is ridiculous. Race should not be treated as an interchangeable and unimportant trait. Race is a part of someone's identity. Johnny Storm being white is no less part of who he is than being black is part of who Luke Cage is. And this is PRECISELY what I was arguing when the original Electro debate broke out a year or so ago. Where were you when I was trying to explain this to people? |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Feb 20, 2014 16:18:36 GMT -5
... who had a fit? I don't like "race swaps," for characters, especially when they're done strictly for the purpose of generating interest in a character. Electro isn't as iconic as The Human Torch, but the same general principle applies. Every single person who responded to my comment that this "race swapping" fad is stupid gave me a hard time, saying that if the actor in question is talented then it shouldn't matter what they look like and that skin color should have nothing to do with it. I repeatedly pointed out that getting an actor who inherently looks nothing like the character they're portraying (eg the idea of getting a male to play Wonder Woman) is foolish and inaccurate and only done for reasons of political correctness, but I just kept on going in circles because everyone else said that they weren't going to get hung up on "appearance". I was also told that because Electro is a minor character it's "okay" whereas it would apparently be a bigger deal if it's a major character. This doesn't even get into the longstanding and clear-cut double standard of swapping ethnicities (cries of racism whenever someone wants to make non-Caucasian characters white). It's a stupid hornet's nest that doesn't need to be kicked- if a character is black, white or purple in his or her original state then why exactly does it need to be changed for modern movie audiences? Eh, partially dollars. I'm not saying you're right or wrong, I just tire of the argument. To be brutally honest part of it is grabbing a population you may not have tapped into. Well what if he was a black guy can we get the black people's money etc. Sometimes its out of public shaming. DC relaunched its new 52 and caught hell, because it looked like it was white washing everything. Now I'm not saying the perception was correct, personally I think the writers, whom are fans themselves, wanted to write about their preferred version of the character... Last point and I'm done. I had a coworker during the whole Black Spiderman uproar, who commented that he'd be fine with a black Spidey if he was in the comics. Fast forward to Miles Morales, and I asked again his thought process on it now. His response was I don't identify with that Spidey because he's not white. All this is beyond a feel good love fest is marketing. Totally anecdotal so take it with a grain of salt. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 20, 2014 16:37:05 GMT -5
I just feel that you don't change the Fantastic Four dude any more than you change Blade. To me the level of popularity doesn't mater, I feel that a film version of a character should be true to the origin and ethnicity that was represented in the source material.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 20, 2014 17:12:20 GMT -5
... who had a fit? I don't like "race swaps," for characters, especially when they're done strictly for the purpose of generating interest in a character. Electro isn't as iconic as The Human Torch, but the same general principle applies. Every single person who responded to my comment that this "race swapping" fad is stupid gave me a hard time, saying that if the actor in question is talented then it shouldn't matter what they look like and that skin color should have nothing to do with it. I repeatedly pointed out that getting an actor who inherently looks nothing like the character they're portraying (eg the idea of getting a male to play Wonder Woman) is foolish and inaccurate and only done for reasons of political correctness, but I just kept on going in circles because everyone else said that they weren't going to get hung up on "appearance". I was also told that because Electro is a minor character it's "okay" whereas it would apparently be a bigger deal if it's a major character. This doesn't even get into the longstanding and clear-cut double standard of swapping ethnicities (cries of racism whenever someone wants to make non-Caucasian characters white). It's a stupid hornet's nest that doesn't need to be kicked- if a character is black, white or purple in his or her original state then why exactly does it need to be changed for modern movie audiences? I'm not going to say that I wasn't part of that discussion or that I didn't disagree with you, but it would be outside my normal position on this sort of thing. I've always been pretty open about the fact that the gymnastics they went through to make Nick Fury in the comics black because they'd cast Jackson in the movies (just for example) serve as an excellent example of just how stupid this stuff can get. |
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Post by pinksparklepuff on Feb 20, 2014 17:38:13 GMT -5
Does this mean that Patrick Stewart can be John Stewart? I'm black and I approve that. I think it'd be fan-freaking-tastic. I'm... Me, and I say HOW DARE YOU! Patrick Stewart may be a phenomenal actor in some people's eyes, but he shouldn't play any Lantern, ever. |
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