Political thread

[charliebucketsgranpa]

Apr 4, 2014 21:20:15 GMT -5 SoonDragon67 said:

Apr 4, 2014 21:14:18 GMT -5 charliebucketsgranpa said:

Was looking at the unemployment rate for my County and in Nov, 2008 when Obama was voted in, the unemployment rate was 6.5%. Now it's 13.4% with it being as high as 15.9% back in June of last year.

Your unemployment rates dropped significantly under Bush, and stayed around the same range the entire time he was in office, before then spiking up again with Obama.

Indeed. I wasn't a huge Bush fan but my area was certainly better off with him as president.

[wildknight]

For those who aren't aware... the Federal Government is currently deploying armed agents in Nevada to arrest, by force if necessary, a rancher who is holed up on his own land. The crime so awful that they're willing to storm this man's private property with guns blazing if he doesn't submit? He (supposedly) let some of his cattle graze on land that the Feds had set aside for a rare species of tortoise. Yep... this man might potentially die because the Feds want to arrest him for letting cattle eat grass set aside for turtles.

If you're a Christian, I would like to ask you to pray for this man and anyone else who might be on the property with him, and for the Federal Agents who have been sent to handle this.

[SoonDragon67]

Apr 7, 2014 13:08:02 GMT -5 wildknight said:

For those who aren't aware... the Federal Government is currently deploying armed agents in Nevada to arrest, by force if necessary, a rancher who is holed up on his own land. The crime so awful that they're willing to storm this man's private property with guns blazing if he doesn't submit? He (supposedly) let some of his cattle graze on land that the Feds had set aside for a rare species of tortoise. Yep... this man might potentially die because the Feds want to arrest him for letting cattle eat grass set aside for turtles.

If you're a Christian, I would like to ask you to pray for this man and anyone else who might be on the property with him, and for the Federal Agents who have been sent to handle this.

What a world we live in. Where a tortoise's life is valued over a man's.

[Deleted]

You said "supposedly". Do they actually have proof or are they just doing it because they think it might have happened?

[skylerb97]

Most wildlife and a few domestic species are more valuable over the average joe these days. Not that I hate animals but turtles aren't necessary to sustain life on the planet

[SoonDragon67]

Apr 8, 2014 14:41:35 GMT -5 Gremer said:

You said "supposedly". Do they actually have proof or are they just doing it because they think it might have happened?

He's been doing it. He's actually been doing it as defiance against their laws.

Although he's doing it because the government took land from his family that they've owned since the 1880s. Of course environmentalists are providing arguments about how him letting his cattle go on the land is destroying the land and taking away the desert tortoises food. However he could use the land for his cattle if he paid the government a fee, which he hasn't been paying since 1992(Or 1993).

Also they're sending military units against him because he threatened engaging in a "range war" not because of the fact that he's using land set aside for the tortoises.

[Deleted]

Ah, so it's not as bad as I thought. Sounds more like he deserves it.

[wildknight]

Apr 8, 2014 16:17:43 GMT -5 SoonDragon67 said:

Apr 8, 2014 14:41:35 GMT -5 Gremer said:

You said "supposedly". Do they actually have proof or are they just doing it because they think it might have happened?

He's been doing it. He's actually been doing it as defiance against their laws.

Although he's doing it because the government took land from his family that they've owned since the 1880s. Of course environmentalists are providing arguments about how him letting his cattle go on the land is destroying the land and taking away the desert tortoises food. However he could use the land for his cattle if he paid the government a fee, which he hasn't been paying since 1992(Or 1993).

Also they're sending military units against him because he threatened engaging in a "range war" not because of the fact that he's using land set aside for the tortoises.

No, they SAY they're sending in troops because he threatened a range war. Think about that for a second. Who was going to have a "range war" with if it was just a bunch of open land? The only people to fight a "range war" with are the federal troops. Who could simply not be there.

[SoonDragon67]

Apr 7, 2014 13:08:02 GMT -5 wildknight said:

For those who aren't aware... the Federal Government is currently deploying armed agents in Nevada to arrest, by force if necessary, a rancher who is holed up on his own land. The crime so awful that they're willing to storm this man's private property with guns blazing if he doesn't submit? He (supposedly) let some of his cattle graze on land that the Feds had set aside for a rare species of tortoise. Yep... this man might potentially die because the Feds want to arrest him for letting cattle eat grass set aside for turtles.

If you're a Christian, I would like to ask you to pray for this man and anyone else who might be on the property with him, and for the Federal Agents who have been sent to handle this.

Update:

abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610

A Nevada cattle rancher appears to have won his week-long battle with the federal government over a controversial cattle roundup that had led to the arrest of several protesters.



Cliven Bundy went head to head with the Bureau of Land Management over the removal of hundreds of his cattle from federal land, where the government said they were grazing illegally.



Bundy claims his herd of roughly 900 cattle have grazed on the land along the riverbed near Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, since 1870 and threatened a "range war" against the BLM on the Bundy Ranch website after one of his sons was arrested while protesting the removal of the cattle.



"I have no contract with the United States government," Bundy said. "I was paying grazing fees for management and that's what BLM was supposed to be, land managers and they were managing my ranch out of business, so I refused to pay."



The federal government had countered that Bundy "owes the American people in excess of $1 million " in unpaid grazing fees and "refuses to abide by the law of land, despite many opportunities over the last 20 years to do so."



However, today the BLM said it would not enforce a court order to remove the cattle and was pulling out of the area.



"Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public," BLM Director Neil Kornze said.



"We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner," he said.



The roundup began April 5, following lengthy court proceedings dating back to 1993, federal officials said. Federal officers began impounding the first lot of cows last weekend, and Bundy responded by inviting supporters onto his land to protest the action.



"It's not about cows, it's about freedom," Utah resident Yonna Winget told ABC News affiliate KTNV in Las Vegas, Nevada.



"People are getting tired of the federal government having unlimited power," Bundy's wife, Carol Bundy told ABC News.



By Sunday, April 6, one of Bundy's sons, Dave Bundy, was taken into custody for refusing to disperse and resisting arrest, while hundreds of other protesters, some venturing from interstate, gathered along the road few miles from Bundy's property in solidarity. Dave Bundy was later released.



A spokesman for the Bundy encampment told ABC News roughly 300 protesters had assembled for the protest, while a BLM representative estimated there were around 100 people.



"We want a peaceful protest, but we also want our voices heard," said Cliven Bundy's sister, Chrisie Marshall Bundy.



But clashes between demonstrators and authorities took a violent turn on Wednesday, with cell phone video showing some being tasered at the site, including Bundy's son, Ammon Bundy. Two other protesters were detained, cited and later released on Thursday, according to the BLM.



As the movement grew by the day, and demonstrators rallied together, bonding by campfires at night, local protest leaders warned people not to wear camouflage and keep their weapons inside their vehicles.



Both sides said the issue is one of fairness, with the federal government maintaining that thousands of other cattle ranchers are abiding by the law by paying their annual grazing fees, while Bundy's family and supporters say the government's actions are threatening ranchers' freedoms.



"It's about the freedom of America," said another of Bundy's sisters, Margaret Houston. "We have to stand up and fight."

[wildknight]

The best part of any political argument... occasionally, just occasionally, you can get a Lib angry enough to say what they really think.
twitchy.com/2014/05/20/white-leftist-to-black-conservative-my-pleasure-house-n-gger-youll-do-anything-fo-massa/

[setokaiba]

May 21, 2014 8:24:58 GMT -5 wildknight said:

The best part of any political argument... occasionally, just occasionally, you can get a Lib angry enough to say what they really think.
twitchy.com/2014/05/20/white-leftist-to-black-conservative-my-pleasure-house-n-gger-youll-do-anything-fo-massa/

Because  he speaks for everyone :rolleyes:. That being said the guy is a asshole(even though I never heard of him until today) and he tried explaining what he meant this with video.

[wildknight]

May 21, 2014 9:25:40 GMT -5 setokaiba said:

May 21, 2014 8:24:58 GMT -5 wildknight said:

The best part of any political argument... occasionally, just occasionally, you can get a Lib angry enough to say what they really think.
twitchy.com/2014/05/20/white-leftist-to-black-conservative-my-pleasure-house-n-gger-youll-do-anything-fo-massa/

Because I totally feel this way :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that EVERY liberal feels this way (although I WOULD say that if you truly considered Liberal policies, you would see that the thinking behind them is very much based in this kind of thinking). My point was that this particular liberal revealed exactly what he really thinks.

... actually it didn't even require getting him mad. He led off with a racial slur 8)

[wildknight]

May 21, 2014 9:25:40 GMT -5 setokaiba said:

May 21, 2014 8:24:58 GMT -5 wildknight said:

The best part of any political argument... occasionally, just occasionally, you can get a Lib angry enough to say what they really think.
twitchy.com/2014/05/20/white-leftist-to-black-conservative-my-pleasure-house-n-gger-youll-do-anything-fo-massa/

Because  he speaks for everyone :rolleyes:. That being said the guy is a asshole(even though I never heard of him until today) and he tried explaining what he meant this with video.

I agree with Chris Rock in that video... and still don't see how it applies to Robert George, a highly educated, well respected intellectual.

[setokaiba]

May 21, 2014 9:27:57 GMT -5 wildknight said:

May 21, 2014 9:25:40 GMT -5 setokaiba said:

Because I totally feel this way :rolleyes:

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that EVERY liberal feels this way (although I WOULD say that if you truly considered Liberal policies, you would see that the thinking behind them is very much based in this kind of thinking). My point was that this particular liberal revealed exactly what he really thinks.

... actually it didn't even require getting him mad. He led off with a racial slur 8)

I  lean more left than I do right but I don't consider myself some super lib. The guy is an ass of the highest level and I'll admit that. He would much rather use childish insult than actually make a point.

is nothing more than greedy, murderous, low-level, inbred trash. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel in every conceivable category of human evolution.

He seems to have a massive boner for the tea party.

[setokaiba]

May 21, 2014 9:29:36 GMT -5 wildknight said:

May 21, 2014 9:25:40 GMT -5 setokaiba said:

Because  he speaks for everyone :rolleyes:. That being said the guy is a asshole(even though I never heard of him until today) and he tried explaining what he meant this with video.

I agree with Chris Rock in that video... and still don't see how it applies to Robert George, a highly educated, well respected intellectual.

As do I. He don't agree with his political views would be my guess.

[wildknight]

May 21, 2014 9:34:09 GMT -5 setokaiba said:

is nothing more than greedy, murderous, low-level, inbred trash. Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel in every conceivable category of human evolution.

He seems to have a massive boner for the tea party.

I got a kick out of reading his twitter feed

[Straight Edge Steve]

Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head.

[WSS?]

May 22, 2014 22:37:31 GMT -5 Straight Edge Steve said:

Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head.

Yep

[Deleted]

May 22, 2014 22:37:31 GMT -5 Straight Edge Steve said:

Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head.

Yup. According to Drug Free World:

- rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety.
- Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke

- One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract.

- Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities.

- And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis.

- Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory.

- A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby

[SoonDragon67]

May 22, 2014 22:37:31 GMT -5 Straight Edge Steve said:

Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head.

Depends who you're more willing to listen to.

On the one side you have potheads. On the other you have the US government.