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Post by wildknight on May 23, 2014 7:10:05 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. "Bad" is relative. Yes, it's terrible for you and no, it is not medicine. Anyone that tells you that marijuana is medicine is a liar, and should be treated however you treat liars in general. THAT SAID... it's really not that much worse than alcohol, which is perfectly legal, and I firmly believe that adults should be able to do stupid things if they choose to do so. My message to the "legalize" crowd has always been this; you stop lying about why you want marijuana legalized, and I'll get behind you, but I will not stand with you as long as you lie to promote your position. Calling marijuana medicine is like calling vodka fuel. On a personal level; legal or not, my advice to you is to stay away from pot. And booze. You don't need them. The flip side of that coin is to try to avoid being too judgmental of people that do use them (although I personally make it a point not to hang out with people who are drunk or high... I just find them very annoying) |
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Post by wildknight on May 23, 2014 8:50:12 GMT -5
How America treats illegal aliens vs. veterans
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By Michelle Malkin • May 23, 2014 12:21 AM
How America treats illegal aliens vs. veterans
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2014
A government that fails to secure its borders is guilty of dereliction of duty. A government that fails to care for our men and women on the frontlines is guilty of malpractice. A government that puts the needs of illegal aliens above U.S. veterans for political gain should be prosecuted for criminal neglect bordering on treason.
Compare, contrast and weep:
In Sacramento, Calif., lawmakers are moving forward with a budget-busting plan to extend government-funded health insurance to at least 1.5 million illegal aliens.
In Los Angeles, federal bureaucrats callously canceled an estimated 40,000 diagnostic tests and treatments for American veterans with cancer and other illnesses to cover up a decade-long backlog.
In New York, doctors report that nearly 40 percent of their patients receiving kidney dialysis are illegal aliens. A survey of nephrologists in 44 states revealed that 65 percent of them treat illegal aliens with kidney disease.
In Memphis, a VA whistleblower reported that his hospital was using contaminated kidney dialysis machines to treat America’s warriors. The same hospital previously had been investigated for chronic overcrowding at its emergency room, leading to six-hour waits or longer. Another watchdog probe found unconscionable delays in processing lab tests at the center. In addition, three patients died under negligent circumstances, and the hospital failed to enforce accountability measures.
In Arizona, illegal aliens incurred health care costs totaling an estimated $700 million in 2009.
In Phoenix, at least 40 veterans died waiting for VA hospitals and clinics to treat them, while government officials created secret waiting lists to cook the books and deceive the public about deadly treatment delays.
At the University of California at Berkeley, UC President Janet Napolitano (former secretary of the Department of Homeland Security) has offered $5 million in financial aid to illegal alien students. Across the country, 16 states offer in-state tuition discounts for illegal aliens: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Illinois, Kansas, Maryland, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Utah and Washington. In addition, the Rhode Island Board of Governors for Higher Education, the University of Hawaii Board of Regents and the University of Michigan Board of Regents all approved their own illegal alien tuition benefits.
In 2013, the nation’s most selective colleges and universities had enrolled just 168 American veterans, down from 232 in 2011. Anti-war activists have waged war on military recruitment offices at elite campuses for years. The huge influx of illegal aliens in state universities is shrinking the number of state-subsidized slots for vets. [And the Obama administration put military tuition assistance up front on the politically-driven chopping block during the sequestration circus last spring.]
In 2013, the Obama Department of Homeland Security released 36,007 known, convicted criminal illegal aliens, according to the Center for Immigration Studies. The catch-and-release beneficiaries include thugs convicted of homicide, sexual assault, kidnapping, and thousands of drunk or drugged driving crimes.
The same Department of Homeland Security issued a report in 2009 that identified returning combat veterans as worrisome terrorist and criminal threats to America.
In Washington, Big Business and open-borders lobbyists are redoubling efforts to pass another massive illegal alien amnesty to flood the U.S. job market with low-wage labor.
Across the country, men and women in uniform returning home from Iraq and Afghanistan have higher jobless rates than the civilian population. The unemployment rate for new veterans has spiked to its worst levels, nearing 15 percent. For veterans ages 24 and under, the jobless rate is a whopping 29.1 percent, compared to 17.6 percent nationally for the age group. A Forbes columnist reported last year that an Air Force veteran was told: “We don’t hire your kind.”
And last December, Democrats led the charge to reduce cost-of-living increases in military pensions — while blocking GOP Alabama Sen. Jeff Sessions’ efforts to close a $4.2 billion loophole that allows illegal aliens to collect child tax credits from the IRS, even if they pay no taxes. Stopping the fraudulent payments to illegal aliens would have offset the cuts to veterans’ benefits.
America: medical and welfare welcome mat to the rest of the world, while leavings its best and bravest veterans to languish in hospital lounges, die waiting for appointments, and compete for jobs and educational opportunities against illegal border-crossers, document fakers, visa violators and deportation evaders. Shame on us.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 24, 2014 16:32:02 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. Yup. According to Drug Free World: - rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety. - Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke - One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract. - Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. - And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis. - Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory. - A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby Thank you! I'm tired of everyone telling me that there is nothing bad about it. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 24, 2014 16:34:02 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. "Bad" is relative. Yes, it's terrible for you and no, it is not medicine. Anyone that tells you that marijuana is medicine is a liar, and should be treated however you treat liars in general. THAT SAID... it's really not that much worse than alcohol, which is perfectly legal, and I firmly believe that adults should be able to do stupid things if they choose to do so. My message to the "legalize" crowd has always been this; you stop lying about why you want marijuana legalized, and I'll get behind you, but I will not stand with you as long as you lie to promote your position. Calling marijuana medicine is like calling vodka fuel. On a personal level; legal or not, my advice to you is to stay away from pot. And booze. You don't need them. The flip side of that coin is to try to avoid being too judgmental of people that do use them (although I personally make it a point not to hang out with people who are drunk or high... I just find them very annoying) Thank you! |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 24, 2014 16:38:21 GMT -5
Yup. According to Drug Free World: - rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety. - Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke - One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract. - Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. - And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis. - Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory. - A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby Thank you! I'm tired of everyone telling me that there is nothing bad about it. You weren't really debating it in your head were you? |
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Post by wildknight on May 24, 2014 16:42:52 GMT -5
Thank you! I'm tired of everyone telling me that there is nothing bad about it. You weren't really debating it in your head were you? Of course he was. We have an enormous percentage of the U.S. population, including several well-respected, intelligent members of this forum, who believe that pot is less harmful than alcohol. It's a prevalent belief. Without doing the research for himself, whose assertions should he believe? |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 24, 2014 16:51:10 GMT -5
Thank you! I'm tired of everyone telling me that there is nothing bad about it. You weren't really debating it in your head were you? I have my mind set on hating it, but it's nice to have legitimate reasons, and until now, I wasn't aware of any. You weren't really debating it in your head were you? Of course he was. We have an enormous percentage of the U.S. population, including several well-respected, intelligent members of this forum, who believe that pot is less harmful than alcohol. It's a prevalent belief. Without doing the research for himself, whose assertions should he believe? Now when someone tries to tell me it's harmless, I can shove that information up their ass. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 24, 2014 16:51:58 GMT -5
You weren't really debating it in your head were you? I have my mind set on hating it, but it's nice to have legitimate reasons, and until now, I wasn't aware of any. That's what I had assumed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 16:52:30 GMT -5
Yup. According to Drug Free World: - rapid heart beat, disorientation, lack of physical coordination, often followed by depression or sleepiness. Some users suffer panic attacks or anxiety. - Marijuana smoke contains 50% to 70% more cancer-causing substances than tobacco smoke - One major research study reported that a single cannabis joint could cause as much damage to the lungs as up to five regular cigarettes smoked one after another. Long-time joint smokers often suffer from bronchitis, an inflammation of the respiratory tract. - Studies in Australia in 2008 linked years of heavy marijuana use to brain abnormalities. - And a number of studies have shown a connection between continued marijuana use and psychosis. - Studies show that the mental functions of people who have smoked a lot of marijuana tend to be diminished. The THC in cannabis disrupts nerve cells in the brain affecting memory. - A pregnant woman who regularly smokes marijuana or hashish may give birth prematurely to an undersized, underweight baby Thank you! I'm tired of everyone telling me that there is nothing bad about it. You're welcome. I watched a presentation in my school on Wednesday about why it should be legal. It was obvious he did no research. |
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Post by wildknight on May 24, 2014 16:56:59 GMT -5
You're welcome. I watched a presentation in my school on Wednesday about why it should be legal. It was obvious he did no research. If he claimed that it is "harmless" then yes, he did no research, but there are some perfectly sound arguments for legalization. Criminalization has a host of problems of it's own. Unfortunately, the two most common arguments that I hear for legalization are 1) It is "medicinal" which is utter bunk and 2) Criminalization hasn't stopped pot use so why not legalize it? (which is idiotic on it's face... the same argument is often applied to prostitution. These people are clearly not thinking logically, since the base argument could be used for legalization of murder, or just about any other horrific crime you can think of. We haven't exactly stamped out assault despite our dozens of pages of criminal code written around it... but it's probably still a good idea to keep it illegal) |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 16:59:20 GMT -5
He claimed there were no harmful byproducts in marijuana smoke, and both of your points.
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Post by setokaiba on May 24, 2014 16:59:41 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. Putting smoke into your body isn't what I would consider a good thing. But I'm all for making it legal. Why? Because I don't give a shit if someone smoke pot or drink beer as long as you do it responsibly |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 24, 2014 17:12:12 GMT -5
Thank you! I'm tired of everyone telling me that there is nothing bad about it. You're welcome. I watched a presentation in my school on Wednesday about why it should be legal. It was obvious he did no research. What class was that for? It definitely wasn't Health class lol Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. Putting smoke into your body isn't what I would consider a good thing. But I'm all for making it legal. Why? Because I don't give a shit if someone smoke pot or drink beer as long as you do it responsibly Pretty much. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 17:33:54 GMT -5
You're welcome. I watched a presentation in my school on Wednesday about why it should be legal. It was obvious he did no research. What class was that for? It definitely wasn't Health class lol Apologetics. |
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Post by wildknight on May 24, 2014 17:38:17 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. Putting smoke into your body isn't what I would consider a good thing. But I'm all for making it legal. Why? Because I don't give a shit if someone smoke pot or drink beer as long as you do it responsibly "I don't care about that" is a lousy reason to hold a political position. I don't care about a lot of things that there are laws against on a personal level, but the broad ramifications of not having those laws are pretty heavy. |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on May 24, 2014 18:07:11 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. RVD said that it was good and helped cure his wife's cancer. That should pretty much tell you all you need to know. |
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Post by wildknight on May 24, 2014 18:12:14 GMT -5
Is marijuana bad? I've been debating this in my head. RVD said that it was good and helped cure his wife's cancer. That should pretty much tell you all you need to know. Cure cancer? That's a new one. I've heard the "it eases the pain" and "it helps with the nausea" stuff (both of which are true but both of those can be achieved with more conventional medicines as well). I've never heard anyone claim that it actually cured anything before. .... wait, that's not true. The "legalize it" crowd claims that it's an effective treatment for emphysema, which makes perfect sense. Inhaling smoke is TOTALLY a reasonable way to help your lungs. |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on May 24, 2014 18:15:42 GMT -5
RVD said that it was good and helped cure his wife's cancer. That should pretty much tell you all you need to know. Cure cancer? That's a new one. I've heard the "it eases the pain" and "it helps with the nausea" stuff (both of which are true but both of those can be achieved with more conventional medicines as well). I've never heard anyone claim that it actually cured anything before. .... wait, that's not true. The "legalize it" crowd claims that it's an effective treatment for emphysema, which makes perfect sense. Inhaling smoke is TOTALLY a reasonable way to help your lungs. On Talk is Jericho he said that it helped her with her cancer and was coming up with all this crazy stuff about how alcohol and cigarettes killed more people every year. WELL DUH!!!!!!!!!! That's because alcohol and ciarettes are legal. |
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Post by wildknight on May 24, 2014 18:18:12 GMT -5
On Talk is Jericho he said that it helped her with her cancer and was coming up with all this crazy stuff about how alcohol and cigarettes killed more people every year. WELL DUH!!!!!!!!!! That's because alcohol and ciarettes are legal. It's also a false syllogism. The question is not "what are the bare numbers?" It should be "what are the percentages?" |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on May 24, 2014 18:21:45 GMT -5
To be fair I don't think he used the word "cure" but he made it sound as if there was no chance of her getting through it without it. I know cancer is rough, I've had family members with it and I'm glad she got through it but I doubt it was because she smoked MJ
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