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Post by SoonDragon67 on Apr 10, 2014 16:30:01 GMT -5
As far as I've read, admittedly not a lot, Punk was complaining about how WWE isn't using the new talent and was pushing people that have already had the spotlight (bad wordplay there since Punk's had the spotlight, but I mean oldies). Was he mad that he didn't have the spotlight at WM? Probably, but when you think about who did, that's pretty reasonable. Batista, dammit. Batista. Sure there were times he never really felt like an important champion *Has one of the longest championship reigns in WWE history* |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 16:30:16 GMT -5
As far as I've read, admittedly not a lot, Punk was complaining about how WWE isn't using the new talent and was pushing people that have already had the spotlight (bad wordplay there since Punk's had the spotlight, but I mean oldies). Was he mad that he didn't have the spotlight at WM? Probably, but when you think about who did, that's pretty reasonable. Batista, dammit. Batista. how much more of a spotlight do you need? Sure there were times he never really felt like an important champion but in that situation just accept the fact that your probably as pushed as someone who isn't named John Felix Anthony Cena is going to be and move on I dont' think it was necessarily him asking for the spotlight as much as you guys are thinking, but again, I may be wrong because I'm not Punk. I think it was more of sending a message to use your current talent and not washed up people like Batista, Taker, Triple H (although, he did apparently prove himself this WM), etc. |
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Post by skylerb97 on Apr 10, 2014 16:32:59 GMT -5
I'm using that in general as it could apply to someone like Cena. (Who knows if he even has any say so or just chooses not to use it) I mean I know he's passionate about the business loves his job etc. but at what point can you maybe step up and say "maybe my character won't be diminished by losing as long as it furthers along an interesting story" Cena loses a lot (yes, I know you're using it in general and not talking about him specifically, but I'm going with your example). It just so happens that he wins a lot. That's WWE using him a lot more than the rest of the roster. I dont' see how that's Cena's fault, lol (again, I'm only using Cena for the sake of this, this can really be interpreted into any of the big guys I've seen). I get that , but I do place most of the blame on WWE itself for not being able to make a win against John Cena seen like a big career moment. Think about it how many guys have beaten Cena and had that moment cheapened by stupid decisions made down the road. A moment is only as big as what follows it imo |
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Post by skylerb97 on Apr 10, 2014 16:35:21 GMT -5
Sure there were times he never really felt like an important champion *Has one of the longest championship reigns in WWE history* and only really closed maybe 3 PPV's at that time? I hate to be a devils advocate I'm just saying that accomplishment didn't feel as big as it should've. Again no need for him to take his ball and go home. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Apr 10, 2014 16:36:34 GMT -5
*Has one of the longest championship reigns in WWE history* and only really closed maybe 3 PPV's at that time? I hate to be a devils advocate I'm just saying that accomplishment didn't feel as big as it should've. Again no need for him to take his ball and go home. Closing a PPV means nothing. Like, at all. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 16:37:56 GMT -5
and only really closed maybe 3 PPV's at that time? I hate to be a devils advocate I'm just saying that accomplishment didn't feel as big as it should've. Again no need for him to take his ball and go home. Closing a PPV means nothing. Like, at all. Neither does holding a championship, really. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Apr 10, 2014 16:40:50 GMT -5
Closing a PPV means nothing. Like, at all. Neither does holding a championship, really. Having the sixth longest WWE Championship reign ever means nothing now? |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 16:43:01 GMT -5
Neither does holding a championship, really. Having the ninth longest WWE Championship reign ever means nothing now? No. Hasn't Ambrose had the U.S. champion for a year? Nobody knows, or cares about it. Being champion means nothing. It's for storyline situations. |
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Post by skylerb97 on Apr 10, 2014 16:44:17 GMT -5
Having the ninth longest WWE Championship reign ever means nothing now? No. Hasn't Ambrose had the U.S. champion for a year? Nobody knows, or cares about it. Being champion means nothing. It's for storyline situations. it's the U.S title it never meant much. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Apr 10, 2014 16:44:54 GMT -5
Having the ninth longest WWE Championship reign ever means nothing now? No. Hasn't Ambrose had the U.S. champion for a year? Nobody knows, or cares about it. Being champion means nothing. It's for storyline situations. That's because the US championship means nothing. The WWE Championship does mean something. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 16:47:48 GMT -5
No. Hasn't Ambrose had the U.S. champion for a year? Nobody knows, or cares about it. Being champion means nothing. It's for storyline situations. it's the U.S title it never meant much. No. Hasn't Ambrose had the U.S. champion for a year? Nobody knows, or cares about it. Being champion means nothing. It's for storyline situations. That's because the US championship means nothing. The WWE Championship does mean something. :facepalm: |
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Post by skylerb97 on Apr 10, 2014 17:20:22 GMT -5
it's the U.S title it never meant much. That's because the US championship means nothing. The WWE Championship does mean something. :facepalm: are you face palming at us or that you used a really bad example. I see your point but picking the most worthless title in the company doesn't really help your case |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 17:21:33 GMT -5
are you face palming at us or that you used a really bad example. I see your point but picking the most worthless title in the company doesn't really help your case It's useless because they made it that way. There have been plenty of times when that championship was relevant. I'm facepalming because you both proved my point. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Apr 10, 2014 17:22:56 GMT -5
are you face palming at us or that you used a really bad example. I see your point but picking the most worthless title in the company doesn't really help your case It's useless because they made it that way. There have been plenty of times when that championship was relevant. Name one time and I'll tell you why you're wrong. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 17:26:38 GMT -5
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Post by miketheratguy on Apr 10, 2014 17:32:10 GMT -5
OT: So did Undertaker actually retire on RAW then, or what?
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 17:33:21 GMT -5
OT: So did Undertaker actually retire on RAW then, or what? No idea. Hopefully, but after him saying he doesn't think he's done, I'm going to assume not, lol. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Apr 10, 2014 17:33:23 GMT -5
Give me a specific example. Don't give me a wikipedia list of every United States Champion. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 17:37:17 GMT -5
Give me a specific example. Don't give me a wikipedia list of every United States Champion. Well, let's give you a list: Miz Miz again Benjamin MVP Benoit Cena Cena again Eddie Booker T Annnnnnd so on. I stopped going through them because I was bored. That's also not including ones that I don't know about at all. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Apr 10, 2014 17:39:53 GMT -5
And here are a list of times when the World Heavyweight championship was irrelevant:
Orton (yes, he was made to be quite irrelevant)
Cena
Del Rio
Bryan
Christian
Ziggler
Mysterio
Once again, stopping early.
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