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Post by pinksparklepuff on May 21, 2014 23:08:12 GMT -5
Aubbers was fun and he had a creepifying chest tattoo.
I wonder what he did to Jaispeed.
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 23:25:00 GMT -5
Aubbers was fun and he had a creepifying chest tattoo. I wonder what he did to Jaispeed. To be fair Aubrey had an attitude that none of us were used to. Sometimes people were pricks and he turned around and acted like a prick right back. I think that took everyone by surprise. There were also occasions where he would (sometimes unfairly) smart off to a member of the forum who wasn't actually trying to be a dick, but who I guess came across as one to him anyway. While it was his job to interact with the fans and he took the position seriously, I think he knew as well as anybody what those fans (especially those on the internet) can be like and had no reservations about giving them the proverbial shrug and walking away.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 21, 2014 23:25:29 GMT -5
What's wrong with the way these modes have always handled that situation? By pretending that wrestling is real. I honestly don't get why you don't think "MyCareer" could work within the confines of the conceit that the in-ring product is real. The relationship works on-screen, why wouldn't it work in a video game? You guys are completely missing my point. It's not that you aren't trying to understand, it's that we're not quite hitting the right combination of words to properly articulate where why I have reservations about the functionality of a specific "MyCareer" mode. I'm not saying that a season / story mode wouldn't work for this game, or that it would have to be non-kayfabe. Kayfabe (or at least semi-kayfabe) storylines and season modes have been a staple of this series for years. What I'm saying is that the MyCareer mode, as it currently exists within the other franchises, deals with the relative "realism" of those other sports by going beyond the sporting events to show the player's character facing situations and choices that affect his career in a "legit" way, not an "in character" or "in universe way". It's not a scripted storyline, these scenarios are provided so the player doesn't just participate in the basketball (or baseball, what have you) action, he or she also gets to experience what it might be like to live the day-to-day experiences that occur AWAY from the action, the message being that living the life of a professional athlete means making choices outside of the sporting events themselves. I'll put it this way: If the game's got a "play now" or "exhibition" mode, you're jumping right in and assuming the role of a performer. Your goal is win, earn your money and put on a show for the crowd. In contrast, MyCareer allows you to play as a guy on his day off, the athlete who isn't necessarily performing right this second, who's making his own decisions. What I'm saying is, essentially, that MyCareer mode's existence as a simulator of the non-performance aspect of the sport might make it difficult to fit neatly in a WWE game because in the WWE, the characters are always performing. Whether standing in the ring, walking around backstage or arguing with their employer, if we see it it's because it's part of the performance. It's scripted. It's all part of the show. And the games are a representation of this. The games are all about the show. To give a more specific example, you're right: We DO see contract stuff all the time: As part of the entertainment. John Cena signs the contract for his match against Daniel Bryan, someone suplexes someone else through the table, and the show ends. But then, an hour later when the arena is empty and the wrestlers go back to their hotels to prepare for their next night on the road, they have their own real-life issues. What do they do about this nagging injury- the real one, not the "broken collarbone" that's been worked on tv? Damn, they're getting all of these calls from TNA and they don't think that WWE is pushing them as much as they should. Do they meet with TNA and entertain their offer? Man, money's tight. It's getting really hard to support my family. Do I dare to give Vince an ultimatum and possibly break my contract if I can't get a raise? My understanding is that MyCareer mode, while probably not quite so in-depth, covers that kind of stuff. The "legit" stuff that an athlete deals with behind closed doors when the cameras are off. WWE, by contrast, is all about the "in-universe" stuff. It's all about the story, the pretend, the magic....the performance. And that's fine, that's exactly why we love it. But as a result, it seems to me that MyCareer, as it currently exists, wouldn't mesh. It represents a realism, an "It's employee time right now, not performer time" aspect of professional sports that the WWE games have never touched. When you play MyCareer mode, you expect to play as a paid athlete trying to further his career. When you play a WWE game, you know that you're going to be playing as a performer in the midst of his performance throughout the entirety of the game. Do you guys kind of get what I mean? What this boils down to, for me, is this: While I would LIKE to play through this level of realism, this "behind closed doors" aspect of life as a WWE employee, I don't necessarily expect it nor do I say that it has to be. The mode could very well be implemented and be nothing but kayfabe. It could be all about being a loose canon up and coming NXT star who has his rivalries and friendships and who earns his way to the title by way of hard-fought victories and so forth. And that's fine. That would be fun enough, and it would probably work in the way that similar modes have worked in the past. It just wouldn't be MyCareer. It wouldn't be delivering the "off the clock" experience or portraying your character as an employee with realistic real-world decisions and situations. It would be portraying your character as the eternal performer, never having to worry about any injuries, contract signings, competition or alternative career paths beyond those that happen in the scripted WWE world. It could still work, and still be fun as hell. It's happened before. But when it did, it didn't have the title of "MyCareer" and all the history and expectations that came with the name. This actually helped me understand your point A LOT more. Poor Aubrey. The guy's actually pretty cool in person. What do you know of this Jared guy? I never even knew his name until this thread. He's an ass and got PinkSparklePuff in trouble on the other forums (and suspended) because PSP was being "discriminating." PSP's exact post was this: "Saying a woman is a good wrestler is internet code for the boys to say "I think ____ is really hot." Think that's bad enough? They also banned somebody that defended him for suspicions (let me remind you that they've admitted there was no proof) of him making multiple accounts. They actually banned two people for that post. One for making it. One for defending him when they said that it was discriminating. Jared seems like an ass from what I've seen of him so far. Oh, and he's also a wrestling hipster.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 21, 2014 23:26:23 GMT -5
Aubbers was fun and he had a creepifying chest tattoo. I wonder what he did to Jaispeed. To be fair Aubrey had an attitude that none of us were used to. Sometimes people were pricks and he turned around and acted like a prick right back. I think that took everyone by surprise. There were also occasions where he would (sometimes unfairly) smart off to a member of the forum who wasn't actually trying to be a dick, but who I guess came across as one to him anyway. While it was his job to interact with the fans and he took the position seriously, I think he knew as well as anybody what those fans (especially those on the internet) can be like and had no reservations about giving them the proverbial shrug and walking away. That's actually what I loved most about Aubrey.
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 23:40:45 GMT -5
This actually helped me understand your point A LOT more. Poor Aubrey. The guy's actually pretty cool in person. What do you know of this Jared guy? I never even knew his name until this thread. He's an ass and got PinkSparklePuff in trouble on the other forums (and suspended) because PSP was being "discriminating." PSP's exact post was this: "Saying a woman is a good wrestler is internet code for the boys to say "I think ____ is really hot." Think that's bad enough? They also banned somebody that defended him for suspicions (let me remind you that they've admitted there was no proof) of him making multiple accounts. They actually banned two people for that post. One for making it. One for defending him when they said that it was discriminating. Jared seems like an ass from what I've seen of him so far. Oh, and he's also a wrestling hipster. Ok first, I'm glad that my post made more sense. It's sort of difficult to put into words- at least FEW words- because I have a very specific idea of what I'd like to see in a wrestling game and which has come close to actually happening on more than one occasion without ever turning out exactly right. This MyCareer possibility (I would argue probability) is the next big chance for everything to truly "click", and I find it interesting to discuss what we want and weigh it against what is both conceivably possible and reasonably realistic. Doubly so because I'm curious to see what effect the playtesters' input will have had on the development of the game (if any). As for Jared, so he's an active presence on the official 2K forum and has the same basic philosophy as SamBC? Sparkle makes fun of diva fans who only care about their appearance and he's scolded for being discriminatory and suspended on the spot? Someone defends him and the defender's account is deleted under suspicion of being a redundant account belonging to Sparkles? I mean unless Jared publicly explained himself (and keep in mind that he's not obligated to) there's no way for anyone else to know with certainty why he deleted the account or whether he did in fact have a valid reason to do so. That said, given your description of how things played out, it does sound like an emotional knee-jerk reaction that was made without any real investigation.
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 23:57:45 GMT -5
To be fair Aubrey had an attitude that none of us were used to. Sometimes people were pricks and he turned around and acted like a prick right back. I think that took everyone by surprise. There were also occasions where he would (sometimes unfairly) smart off to a member of the forum who wasn't actually trying to be a dick, but who I guess came across as one to him anyway. While it was his job to interact with the fans and he took the position seriously, I think he knew as well as anybody what those fans (especially those on the internet) can be like and had no reservations about giving them the proverbial shrug and walking away. That's actually what I loved most about Aubrey. He was pretty polarizing. I mean obviously, I chose to quit moderating rather than enforce a policy that I didn't personally agree with. Though, in fairness, as time went on I realized that my leaving was a culmination of all kinds of factors that had built up over time and which Aubrey couldn't fix, not any single complaint that I had with Aubrey himself. Modding the THQ site was often a mess and I was already burnt out from it, so when Aubrey came in with his different ideas I quickly came to the decision that they would make things even more frustrating than they'd already been. While I didn't feel that his philosophy was what was best for the forum, it wasn't fair of me to throw up my hands and walk away from my responsibilities without even giving him a chance. In my defense, I was man enough to tell him this. To his credit, he was man enough to tell me not to spend another minute of my life worrying about a disagreement that happened on an internet forum.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 22, 2014 0:07:11 GMT -5
This actually helped me understand your point A LOT more. He's an ass and got PinkSparklePuff in trouble on the other forums (and suspended) because PSP was being "discriminating." PSP's exact post was this: "Saying a woman is a good wrestler is internet code for the boys to say "I think ____ is really hot." Think that's bad enough? They also banned somebody that defended him for suspicions (let me remind you that they've admitted there was no proof) of him making multiple accounts. They actually banned two people for that post. One for making it. One for defending him when they said that it was discriminating. Jared seems like an ass from what I've seen of him so far. Oh, and he's also a wrestling hipster. Ok first, I'm glad that my post made more sense. It's sort of difficult to put into words- at least FEW words- because I have a very specific idea of what I'd like to see in a wrestling game and which has come close to actually happening on more than one occasion without ever turning out exactly right. This MyCareer possibility (I would argue probability) is the next big chance for everything to truly "click", and I find it interesting to discuss what we want and weigh it against what is both conceivably possible and reasonably realistic. Doubly so because I'm curious to see what effect the playtesters' input will have had on the development of the game (if any). As for Jared, so he's an active presence on the official 2K forum and has the same basic philosophy as SamBC? Sparkle makes fun of diva fans who only care about their appearance and he's scolded for being discriminatory and suspended on the spot? Someone defends him and the defender's account is deleted under suspicion of being a redundant account belonging to Sparkles? I mean unless Jared publicly explained himself (and keep in mind that he's not obligated to) there's no way for anyone else to know with certainty why he deleted the account or whether he did in fact have a valid reason to do so. That said, given your description of how things played out, it does sound like an emotional knee-jerk reaction that was made without any real investigation. Well, besides the fact that you can see why people are banned and by who, the person has shown the messages and DrCane said that he was reported by Jared for having Multiple Accounts and accusing him of being PinkSparklePuff, lol. Also, I was suspended as well for saying that banning somebody's profile with no proof just because you had suspicions of multiple accounts because one defended the other was pretty stupid. Oh, and Zeokage is a moderator over there now and despite how he used to be, he's basically a complete ass over there now. Shame because I used to like him. To be fair, the other user did act aggressively, but he was definitely banned for the wrong reasons.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 22, 2014 0:16:32 GMT -5
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Post by setokaiba on May 22, 2014 0:19:05 GMT -5
miketheratguy Here's the thread where it happened, just so you can see for yourself, lol. It happened on Mike account on here? S**t just got real.
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Post by WSS? on May 22, 2014 0:20:02 GMT -5
miketheratguy Here's the thread where it happened, just so you can see for yourself, lol. It happened on Mike account of here? S**t just got real.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 22, 2014 0:21:18 GMT -5
It happened on Mike account of here? S**t just got real. Great show! miketheratguy Here's the thread where it happened, just so you can see for yourself, lol. It happened on Mike account of here? S**t just got real. I'm sorry. Usually I can decode your posts, but this one I cannot, lol.
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Post by WSS? on May 22, 2014 0:22:15 GMT -5
You never posted a link to the thread, but the post changed Mike's name to a link.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 22, 2014 0:25:50 GMT -5
....I'mma go ahead and wrongfully blame that on the glitches that always happen on this site.
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Post by justinlynch3 on May 22, 2014 1:55:20 GMT -5
I hope this games better then WWE 2K14. I still haven't gotten 2K14 yet. It just looks foolish. I mean animations was fast in 13, but in 14 every single characters looks to run around at Rey Mysterio speed or faster. Though I like sound of a lot of additions, that game was heavily leaning towards arcade over sim.
I'll probably wind up with 14 one of these years when it's like $10. lol Plus not having CAW import hurt it, I'll admit I was lazy this year not wanting to recreate everything.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2014 2:32:30 GMT -5
1.He's still a piece of shit. 2.YAY! I'LL GET IT IN 2019! Seriously, if its not worth my money, i don't even get it. And if its worth it, then i'll get it in 2016-17. dude you're barking up the wrong tree.. Jared is not a piece of shit, in fact he's definitely the best CM we've had since Marcus Stephenson. I think you're harboring hate towards Aubrey, who was a piece of shit lol Nope. I kinda liked Aubrey, and did with Jared too, but it lasted until they started talking. And Jared IS a piece of shit. Why did he banned PSP for being sexist against women when he said that the majority of male fans like Divas because eye candy? Why did WhoCares got banned for making a second account (they thought he's PSP), then for "backchat" when he just wanted an apologize? And why do threads close when the Mods can't save their ass?
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Post by wildknight on May 22, 2014 5:34:57 GMT -5
By virtue of its existence in games based on "legit" sports, MyCareer mode is know for simulating situations and decisions that are off-hours. Non-kayfabe. The WWE series has always, by virtue of its existence as games based on a "fake" sport, simulated situations and decisions that are on the clock. Kayfabe. In NBA / MLB / whatever, you're not always performing. In WWE games, you're always performing. My concern is not that MyCareer can't appear in a WWE game. My concern is that MyCareer focuses on the real-life decisions that athletes face as regular people whereas the storylines in WWE games focus on the decisions that the performers face as characters. Because of this, I see no way that MyCareer can work in a WWE game unless (A) the WWE allows the mode to proceed normally and portray the roster not just as characters but employees who are faced with "real life" non-kayfabe scenarios or (B) the mode is changed to fit WWE game tradition and drops the "legit" aka "real life" stuff, portraying the roster as performers who are perpetually in character and don't deal with scenarios that appear outside of the confines of kayfabe. I will accept either, but EXPECT outcome B and will wonder why the mode was called "MyCareer" as opposed to "season", "story", or some other glamorous title like "Rise Through the Ranks". There. That was so much simpler. ... yeah, I think you're splitting hairs here. A story is a story. MyCareer doesn't relate events that actually occurred, just events that could in theory occur. There is no reason why MyCareer in WWE couldn't maintain kayfabe.
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Post by miketheratguy on May 22, 2014 5:38:17 GMT -5
By virtue of its existence in games based on "legit" sports, MyCareer mode is know for simulating situations and decisions that are off-hours. Non-kayfabe. The WWE series has always, by virtue of its existence as games based on a "fake" sport, simulated situations and decisions that are on the clock. Kayfabe. In NBA / MLB / whatever, you're not always performing. In WWE games, you're always performing. My concern is not that MyCareer can't appear in a WWE game. My concern is that MyCareer focuses on the real-life decisions that athletes face as regular people whereas the storylines in WWE games focus on the decisions that the performers face as characters. Because of this, I see no way that MyCareer can work in a WWE game unless (A) the WWE allows the mode to proceed normally and portray the roster not just as characters but employees who are faced with "real life" non-kayfabe scenarios or (B) the mode is changed to fit WWE game tradition and drops the "legit" aka "real life" stuff, portraying the roster as performers who are perpetually in character and don't deal with scenarios that appear outside of the confines of kayfabe. I will accept either, but EXPECT outcome B and will wonder why the mode was called "MyCareer" as opposed to "season", "story", or some other glamorous title like "Rise Through the Ranks". There. That was so much simpler. ... yeah, I think you're splitting hairs here. A story is a story. MyCareer doesn't relate events that actually occurred, just events that could in theory occur. There is no reason why MyCareer in WWE couldn't maintain kayfabe. I......huh? I honestly feel as if I'm speaking a different language. I don't think we're on the same wavelength at all here...
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Post by miketheratguy on May 22, 2014 5:39:40 GMT -5
miketheratguy Here's the thread where it happened, just so you can see for yourself, lol. It happened on Mike account on here? S**t just got real. Zeokage came here, made an account named Jared, and banned me. I think that's the gist of it all. Also, Sparkles became community manager of the 2K wrestling division. Congrats, Sparkles!
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Post by wildknight on May 22, 2014 5:41:56 GMT -5
I honestly feel as if I'm speaking a different language. I don't think we're on the same wavelength at all here... You keep insisting that, somehow, "MyCareer" cannot possibly relate events from the "real life" of wrestlers in the same way that the TV product relates events from the "real life" of wrestlers. I'm confused as to why you think that is the case. I understand that the definition of "real life" is different here, but there is nothing inherent to MyCareer that couldn't occur within a kayfabe universe.
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Post by miketheratguy on May 22, 2014 6:56:47 GMT -5
I honestly feel as if I'm speaking a different language. I don't think we're on the same wavelength at all here... You keep insisting that, somehow, "MyCareer" cannot possibly relate events from the "real life" of wrestlers in the same way that the TV product relates events from the "real life" of wrestlers. I'm confused as to why you think that is the case. I understand that the definition of "real life" is different here, but there is nothing inherent to MyCareer that couldn't occur within a kayfabe universe. I'm saying that the WWE does not, as part of its regular programming, present the real-life situations that a WWE performer deals with as an employee of the company. When you turn on WWE television you're removed from that kind of stuff and drawn into the play, the fantasy, the world of characters and kayfabe. I expect that a MyCareer mode- which has thus far only appeared in franchises where there IS no character or kayfabe, just real life and real life ONLY- would be required to follow suit and drop the focus on real life scenarios to instead present the self-contained WWE fantasy. Thus, I feel that a MyCareer mode in a WWE game would no longer represent the kind of experience that it's known for and therefore be pointless (or at least misleading). Following the athlete around in "real life" as he shapes his career- from the standpoint of an employee who has a craft, not the standpoint of his character during a performance- is what MyCareer is all about. Picture this: There's a wrestler named Johnny Jenkins. He joins the WWE and Vince gives him the lazy gimmick "Jackknife". Now, the yearly wrestling game comes out. When you turn it on you don't see Johnny Jenkins, you see Jackknife. When you play through the story mode, Jackknife is from Parts Unknown and he eats human beings for a living. The scenarios that he finds himself in are whether to ally with Batista and form a tag team or go after the Intercontinental title. When he sustains an injury, he returns with a mask a week later and surprise-powerbombs the guy who hurt him. Before Summerslam he's offered a contract to fight his rival and after signing it, he powerbombs the guy again. This is the career of Jackknife, as experienced in a surprisingly cutscene-heavy session of Universe mode. Now picture that we don't play as Jackknife. We turn on the game and there's Johnny Jenkins. As Johnny you toil on the independent circuit for three months fighting people you've never heard of in a crappy inner-city gym. A talent scout notices his ability and offers him a job with TNA. He passes, but soon WWE gets word of him and makes an offer that he accepts. The scenarios that Johnny Jenkins finds himself in is whether to accept the name "Jackknife" or argue for more creative control, and whether to ask for a percentage of the live gate in lieu of a potentially smaller downside guarantee. You're told that you'll be working a program with Batista but he bitches that you're too green and not worth the rub that he could provide so Vince delays your television debut as the writers give you the gimmick "Magma" that they were going to give to the other new guy before he quit. When you sustain an injury in your first professional match, you leave the arena and head straight to the hospital to repair your broken ankle and begin two months of unpaid leave. Before Summerslam Vince urges you to return and reminds you that you're only part of the company on a part-time basis. He offers you a new, much smaller contract. After refusing to sign it, you part ways and decide to call up TNA. This is the career of Johnny Jenkins as experienced in a session of MyCareer. When you turn on the WWE 2K15 Universe mode, you're playing as a character in a perpetual performance. You're never off. It's all about the show, all kayfabe, all the time. There are no real-life decisions. The only decisions of importance are who to attack, who to ally with, and when. When you turn on the WWE 2K16 MyCareer mode, you're playing as a guy who has a job performing as a character. You're only on when you're at the arena participating in a match or behind the scenes sketch. It's all about making money, good career decisions, and staying in good health. There's a balance of kayfabe and real-life decisions. The decisions of utmost importance are how best to market your character, how much stake you can claim for yourself as an independent contractor, and how best to manage your funds and stay competitive. This is what I'm saying. These are just examples to demonstrate the different areas of focus between what the two different game types are all about. MyCareer focuses on legitimate happenings in the "real" life of an athlete who spends some of the mode participating in a sport. The wrestling series focuses on kayfabe events in the fictitious life of a character who spends the entirety of the game participating in a sport. If MyCareer says "hey kids, this is what it's like to play as a rich and famous athlete" then the WWE series says "hey kids, this is what it's like to play as a superhero who lives in a wrestling arena." If MyCareer is the Civil War re-enactment club drinking Jolt while Skyping to their wives that they're going to be coming home late, the WWE series is the Civil War re-enactment club in the midst of recreating the Battle of Antietam. If MyCareer is the video game equivalent of Harrison Ford choosing an agent and researching his next role, the WWE series is the equivalent of Indiana Jones punching a Nazi. I have no idea if this is making any sense yet but I can't type anymore and I'm going to bed. Ask Bane.
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