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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 19:45:09 GMT -5
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FUCKING CLOWNS!!!!!!!!!! I find myself asking the same question every time I close my eyes. Join the club. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on May 21, 2014 19:47:04 GMT -5
I'm at war with your kind and I expect to win it. Bitch, please. You'll be a part of it soon enough. Nope |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 21, 2014 19:47:27 GMT -5
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FUCKING CLOWNS!!!!!!!!!! I find myself asking the same question every time I close my eyes. Join the club. It's better than superheroes. |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 20:04:55 GMT -5
I find myself asking the same question every time I close my eyes. Join the club. It's better than superheroes. Anything's better than more god damn superheroes. I swear to Cthulhu I'd rather listen to you people talk about Hornswoggle and Santino for days on end. |
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Post by WhoCares? on May 21, 2014 20:06:41 GMT -5
It's better than superheroes. I'd rather listen to you people talk about Hornswoggle and Santino for days on end. Hornswoggle for WWE World Heavyweight Champion! Dang, that even hurt my brain. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 21, 2014 20:06:43 GMT -5
It's better than superheroes. Anything's better than more god damn superheroes. I swear to Cthulhu I'd rather listen to you people talk about Hornswoggle and Santino for days on end. Pssh, Cthulhu is overrated. I swear to Yog-Sothoth. |
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Post by wildknight on May 21, 2014 20:07:50 GMT -5
Why would it be non-kayfabe? It wouldn't necessarily have to be (the SYM was more or less kayafabe and I was all over it). But people have, since last year, been throwing around comments about how much they'd like to see the famous 2K "MyCareer" mode added to the WWE series. There's an inherent conflict between MyCareer and WWE games though. MyCareer is all about simulating the "life" of an athlete in a legitimate sport which is something that I don't see ever happening in a WWE game. Because of this, I don't know why people would be excited about 2K's acquisition of the franchise and the potential for implementation of its career mode if all that we're likely to get is a standard (though in my opinion, wholly welcome) season mode. I simply don't understand why there is an inherent conflict between "My Career" and kayfabe |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on May 21, 2014 20:16:30 GMT -5
I don't understand the conflict either *shrugs*
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 21:03:26 GMT -5
It wouldn't necessarily have to be (the SYM was more or less kayafabe and I was all over it). But people have, since last year, been throwing around comments about how much they'd like to see the famous 2K "MyCareer" mode added to the WWE series. There's an inherent conflict between MyCareer and WWE games though. MyCareer is all about simulating the "life" of an athlete in a legitimate sport which is something that I don't see ever happening in a WWE game. Because of this, I don't know why people would be excited about 2K's acquisition of the franchise and the potential for implementation of its career mode if all that we're likely to get is a standard (though in my opinion, wholly welcome) season mode. I simply don't understand why there is an inherent conflict between "My Career" and kayfabe 1. My understanding is that MyCareer mode simulates the "offscreen" lives of athletes that participate in "legitimate" sports by focusing on the real-life decisions that they have to make as regular people. 2. As far as I know, WWE is still a company that presents its athletes as characters who inhabit a scripted fantasy world of pretend competition and predetermined results that are decided by the owner, not the individual determination and skill of the athletes. Because of this, I don't understand how the comprehensive MyCareer mode- which is based upon going beyond the sporting events themselves to allow players the choice of "real world" decisions would work within the confines of a WWE game where "real world" situations and decisions are not part of the WWE experience as presented. Basketball is a "legitimate" sport and the off-court politics, conflicts, financial negotiations and personal situations are part of the experience, they're included in the presentations and discussed during airing of the events. WWE wrestling is a "pretend" sport where scenarios and actions that don't relate to the telling of the in-ring story are not acknowledged in the presentation. The NBA freely acknowledges that a basketball career consists of much more than just what happens on the court during televised games. The WWE portrays a wrestling career as something that happens in the ring (or in scripted backstage segments) and chooses not to acknowledge the outside lives and "inner business decisions" of its athletes unless it happens to serve the fictional storyline. MyCareer shows the life and decisions of an athlete outside the game, when he's not performing. In the WWE, the performers are always "on", no legitimate "outside the game" lifestyles and decision-making are shown. It's simply not part of the programming. How would MyCareer work in a WWE game without adjusting (or abandoning) the things that it focuses on to fit the scripted constraints of the business? |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 21:07:04 GMT -5
I don't understand the conflict either *shrugs* Basketball game: Hey player 1, your coach is pissed off because your performance has been kind of sloppy and he's talking about trading you to the other team. The WWE 2K15 MyCareer version of this would be..............what? |
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Post by wildknight on May 21, 2014 21:07:06 GMT -5
Because of this, I don't understand how the comprehensive MyCareer mode- which is based upon going beyond the sporting events themselves to allow players the choice of "real world" decisions would work within the confines of a WWE game where "real world" situations and decisions are not part of the WWE experience as presented. What's wrong with the way these modes have always handled that situation? By pretending that wrestling is real. I honestly don't get why you don't think "MyCareer" could work within the confines of the conceit that the in-ring product is real. The relationship works on-screen, why wouldn't it work in a video game? |
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Post by wildknight on May 21, 2014 21:08:33 GMT -5
I don't understand the conflict either *shrugs* Basketball game: Hey player 1, your coach is pissed off because your performance has been kind of sloppy and he's talking about trading you to the other team. The WWE 2K15 MyCareer version of this would be..............what? "Hey Player 1, your boss is pissed off because you haven't won your last few matches, or haven't won them in a dominant enough fashion, so now he's considering sending you to one of the tertiary shows for re-packaging" |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on May 21, 2014 21:12:48 GMT -5
Basketball game: Hey player 1, your coach is pissed off because your performance has been kind of sloppy and he's talking about trading you to the other team. The WWE 2K15 MyCareer version of this would be..............what? "Hey Player 1, your boss is pissed off because you haven't won your last few matches, or haven't won them in a dominant enough fashion, so now he's considering sending you to one of the tertiary shows for re-packaging" Exactly. But I don't think it even needs all of that contract stuff. It could simply be you starting out in NXT with a number of storylines that you could stumble upon. Then after winning enough there you'd be promoted to the main roster and once again have the possibility of being involved with a number of storylines including ones that are for titles. |
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Post by wildknight on May 21, 2014 21:13:46 GMT -5
I don't see what's wrong with "contract stuff." It has been a staple of kayfabe for three decades.
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on May 21, 2014 21:19:21 GMT -5
I don't see what's wrong with "contract stuff." It has been a staple of kayfabe for three decades. I really don't think there's anything wrong with it either, I......... ........I'm not really sure what I was trying to prove with that statement. |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 22:30:50 GMT -5
Because of this, I don't understand how the comprehensive MyCareer mode- which is based upon going beyond the sporting events themselves to allow players the choice of "real world" decisions would work within the confines of a WWE game where "real world" situations and decisions are not part of the WWE experience as presented. What's wrong with the way these modes have always handled that situation? By pretending that wrestling is real. I honestly don't get why you don't think "MyCareer" could work within the confines of the conceit that the in-ring product is real. The relationship works on-screen, why wouldn't it work in a video game? You guys are completely missing my point. It's not that you aren't trying to understand, it's that we're not quite hitting the right combination of words to properly articulate where why I have reservations about the functionality of a specific "MyCareer" mode. I'm not saying that a season / story mode wouldn't work for this game, or that it would have to be non-kayfabe. Kayfabe (or at least semi-kayfabe) storylines and season modes have been a staple of this series for years. What I'm saying is that the MyCareer mode, as it currently exists within the other franchises, deals with the relative "realism" of those other sports by going beyond the sporting events to show the player's character facing situations and choices that affect his career in a "legit" way, not an "in character" or "in universe way". It's not a scripted storyline, these scenarios are provided so the player doesn't just participate in the basketball (or baseball, what have you) action, he or she also gets to experience what it might be like to live the day-to-day experiences that occur AWAY from the action, the message being that living the life of a professional athlete means making choices outside of the sporting events themselves. I'll put it this way: If the game's got a "play now" or "exhibition" mode, you're jumping right in and assuming the role of a performer. Your goal is win, earn your money and put on a show for the crowd. In contrast, MyCareer allows you to play as a guy on his day off, the athlete who isn't necessarily performing right this second, who's making his own decisions. What I'm saying is, essentially, that MyCareer mode's existence as a simulator of the non-performance aspect of the sport might make it difficult to fit neatly in a WWE game because in the WWE, the characters are always performing. Whether standing in the ring, walking around backstage or arguing with their employer, if we see it it's because it's part of the performance. It's scripted. It's all part of the show. And the games are a representation of this. The games are all about the show. To give a more specific example, you're right: We DO see contract stuff all the time: As part of the entertainment. John Cena signs the contract for his match against Daniel Bryan, someone suplexes someone else through the table, and the show ends. But then, an hour later when the arena is empty and the wrestlers go back to their hotels to prepare for their next night on the road, they have their own real-life issues. What do they do about this nagging injury- the real one, not the "broken collarbone" that's been worked on tv? Damn, they're getting all of these calls from TNA and they don't think that WWE is pushing them as much as they should. Do they meet with TNA and entertain their offer? Man, money's tight. It's getting really hard to support my family. Do I dare to give Vince an ultimatum and possibly break my contract if I can't get a raise? My understanding is that MyCareer mode, while probably not quite so in-depth, covers that kind of stuff. The "legit" stuff that an athlete deals with behind closed doors when the cameras are off. WWE, by contrast, is all about the "in-universe" stuff. It's all about the story, the pretend, the magic....the performance. And that's fine, that's exactly why we love it. But as a result, it seems to me that MyCareer, as it currently exists, wouldn't mesh. It represents a realism, an "It's employee time right now, not performer time" aspect of professional sports that the WWE games have never touched. When you play MyCareer mode, you expect to play as a paid athlete trying to further his career. When you play a WWE game, you know that you're going to be playing as a performer in the midst of his performance throughout the entirety of the game. Do you guys kind of get what I mean? What this boils down to, for me, is this: While I would LIKE to play through this level of realism, this "behind closed doors" aspect of life as a WWE employee, I don't necessarily expect it nor do I say that it has to be. The mode could very well be implemented and be nothing but kayfabe. It could be all about being a loose canon up and coming NXT star who has his rivalries and friendships and who earns his way to the title by way of hard-fought victories and so forth. And that's fine. That would be fun enough, and it would probably work in the way that similar modes have worked in the past. It just wouldn't be MyCareer. It wouldn't be delivering the "off the clock" experience or portraying your character as an employee with realistic real-world decisions and situations. It would be portraying your character as the eternal performer, never having to worry about any injuries, contract signings, competition or alternative career paths beyond those that happen in the scripted WWE world. It could still work, and still be fun as hell. It's happened before. But when it did, it didn't have the title of "MyCareer" and all the history and expectations that came with the name. |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 22:47:42 GMT -5
By virtue of its existence in games based on "legit" sports, MyCareer mode is know for simulating situations and decisions that are off-hours. Non-kayfabe. The WWE series has always, by virtue of its existence as games based on a "fake" sport, simulated situations and decisions that are on the clock. Kayfabe. In NBA / MLB / whatever, you're not always performing. In WWE games, you're always performing. My concern is not that MyCareer can't appear in a WWE game. My concern is that MyCareer focuses on the real-life decisions that athletes face as regular people whereas the storylines in WWE games focus on the decisions that the performers face as characters.
Because of this, I see no way that MyCareer can work in a WWE game unless (A) the WWE allows the mode to proceed normally and portray the roster not just as characters but employees who are faced with "real life" non-kayfabe scenarios or (B) the mode is changed to fit WWE game tradition and drops the "legit" aka "real life" stuff, portraying the roster as performers who are perpetually in character and don't deal with scenarios that appear outside of the confines of kayfabe. I will accept either, but EXPECT outcome B and will wonder why the mode was called "MyCareer" as opposed to "season", "story", or some other glamorous title like "Rise Through the Ranks".
There. That was so much simpler.
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Post by jaispeed2013 on May 21, 2014 23:01:59 GMT -5
1.He's still a piece of shit. 2.YAY! I'LL GET IT IN 2019! Seriously, if its not worth my money, i don't even get it. And if its worth it, then i'll get it in 2016-17. dude you're barking up the wrong tree.. Jared is not a piece of shit, in fact he's definitely the best CM we've had since Marcus Stephenson. I think you're harboring hate towards Aubrey, who was a piece of shit lol |
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Post by jaispeed2013 on May 21, 2014 23:03:39 GMT -5
I'm more so excited that I dont' have to pay a fortune to play the game. By the sounds of things though, I won't be buying the game anyways. Everywhere I go it seems like it's leaning more so on focusing on NXT and that's when I don't buy it. yeah man i'm glad it's coming on 360 lol |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 21, 2014 23:04:00 GMT -5
Poor Aubrey. The guy's actually pretty cool in person.
What do you know of this Jared guy? I never even knew his name until this thread.
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