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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 19:22:16 GMT -5
Yes, the government established entirely by Christians based on their beliefs is not in anyway based on the Christian religion. Makes sense...I suppose... Considering we have a separation of church and state and what was written in the Treaty of Tripoli I would say it's not a christian nation. "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Mohammedan] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." That's nice that they officially stated that, but I have a hard time believing that the founding fathers who were all Christians did not base their beliefs at all upon the way they believed. |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 19:23:16 GMT -5
I like cheeseburgers. I really enjoy double cheeseburgers. I'm going to marry a bacon cheeseburger. I don't eat Cheesbugers not for some liberal reason like it can make you fat(seriously just work out) but because I don't like I'm a very picky eater and cheese touching my beef is something I can't get behind. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 19, 2013 19:32:40 GMT -5
You can't be serious. Murder was consider wrong before the Bible of even written. ... really? Time for you to study your history a little better. Check out the Code of Hammurabi. Most ancient cultures accepted that it was the right of the noble class, in whatever form they took, to kill anyone for whatever reasons they saw fit. Even atheist philanthropists acknowledge that the 10 Commandments codified new concepts, and was the first written code to obligate man to his fellow man on a one-to-one basis with no consideration for wealth or birth situation. Exactly. Ah, the old Treaty of Tripoli argument. Study harder, grasshopper. That language was clearly included for no purpose other than to mollify the Muslims with whom we were signing the treaty by assuring them that we had no interest in overthrowing their right to self rule. In short, it was bullshit. The Founding Fathers were incredibly clear in their writings and behavior that they were focused on Christian morality. The Declaration of Independence clearly sites God, not man, any declaration of man, and certainly not any Government, as the sole source of human rights, and Jefferson couldn't have been more clear that he considered Government the primary threat to those rights. These men started and attended churches INSIDE federal government buildings, and started every session with a prayer, and often a sermon. It's ridiculous for you to deny the Christian heritage of our founding documents. But we did, and we do. We used to govern based off of Christianity, now we govern primarily based off of Secular Humanism. If you believe that Secular Humanism (and it's dance partners, agnosticism and atheism) aren't religions, then you don't understand the definition of a religion. This isn't about gay "rights." The man never once referenced any "rights." He only spoke about his beliefs. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 19, 2013 19:35:31 GMT -5
In terms of public praying Jesus was not for it(Matthew 6:5-15) but if we're talking in terms of street preaching or what the WestBro BaptistChurch does no he never expressed his belief. LOL What??? Jesus was not opposed to public praying. He was illustrating a point about hypocrisy and humility. You're misusing a bible verse pretty severely there. Jesus did almost all of his ministry in public. Even the secular historian Josephus records this fact. Of course he wouldn't support what WestBoro Baptist Church does... and for you to equate their behavior to street preaching is evidence of the bias that keeps you from seeing so many other elements of this story. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 19, 2013 19:37:53 GMT -5
Look the Phil thing isn't even about freedom of speech. It's about marketing and accountability. He signed a contract and networks generally have contracts like this because you represent their network. I have one with my company, even while I'm not at work, I am a representative of them. If I say something that casts them in a negative light or brings negative attention to them they have cause to fire me. ... except that they knew who he was and what he believed when they hired him. They've been perfectly happy to have a top rated show and make money hand over fist off of the man's loving family and belief system until now. It's awfully hard to plead "injured party" when you've been supportive of a behavior for years. |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 19:39:33 GMT -5
In terms of public praying Jesus was not for it(Matthew 6:5-15) but if we're talking in terms of street preaching or what the WestBro BaptistChurch does no he never expressed his belief. LOL What??? Jesus was not opposed to public praying. He was illustrating a point about hypocrisy and humility. You're misusing a bible verse pretty severely there. Jesus did almost all of his ministry in public. Even the secular historian Josephus records this fact. Of course he wouldn't support what WestBoro Baptist Church does... and for you to equate their behavior to street preaching is evidence of the bias that keeps you from seeing so many other elements of this story. "“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7 And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him." |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 19:44:43 GMT -5
Ah, the old Treaty of Tripoli argument. Study harder, grasshopper. That language was clearly included for no purpose other than to mollify the Muslims with whom we were signing the treaty by assuring them that we had no interest in overthrowing their right to self rule. In short, it was bulls***. But we did, and we do. We used to govern based off of Christianity, now we govern primarily based off of Secular Humanism. If you believe that Secular Humanism (and it's dance partners, agnosticism and atheism) aren't religions, then you don't understand the definition of a religion. 1. What is your reason to believe they say wrote that without really meaning it do you have any evidence that I haven't seen? 2. Religion is the worship and belief of a god. Like me ask you what god do a agnostic atheist? |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 19:46:36 GMT -5
Ah, the old Treaty of Tripoli argument. Study harder, grasshopper. That language was clearly included for no purpose other than to mollify the Muslims with whom we were signing the treaty by assuring them that we had no interest in overthrowing their right to self rule. In short, it was bulls***. But we did, and we do. We used to govern based off of Christianity, now we govern primarily based off of Secular Humanism. If you believe that Secular Humanism (and it's dance partners, agnosticism and atheism) aren't religions, then you don't understand the definition of a religion. 1. What is your reason to believe they say wrote that without really meaning it do you have any evidence that I haven't seen? 2. Religion is the worship and belief of a god. Like me ask you what god do a agnostic atheist? 1.Common sense and application of every other piece of history available from the time. 2.Actually, no it's not. Confucianism is a religion, but it has no gods. Religion is an organized collection of beliefs. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 19, 2013 19:49:23 GMT -5
Look the Phil thing isn't even about freedom of speech. It's about marketing and accountability. He signed a contract and networks generally have contracts like this because you represent their network. I have one with my company, even while I'm not at work, I am a representative of them. If I say something that casts them in a negative light or brings negative attention to them they have cause to fire me. ... except that they knew who he was and what he believed when they hired him. They've been perfectly happy to have a top rated show and make money hand over fist off of the man's loving family and belief system until now. It's awfully hard to plead "injured party" when you've been supportive of a behavior for years. Oh I agree but he also signed the contract. Don't start calling for protection when you signed the contract. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 19:50:43 GMT -5
... except that they knew who he was and what he believed when they hired him. They've been perfectly happy to have a top rated show and make money hand over fist off of the man's loving family and belief system until now. It's awfully hard to plead "injured party" when you've been supportive of a behavior for years. Oh I agree but he also signed the contract. Don't start calling for protection when you signed the contract. Erm, what? Might I see this contract that says he may express his religious beliefs on the show but not in a talk show thing? |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 19:52:44 GMT -5
1. What is your reason to believe they say wrote that without really meaning it do you have any evidence that I haven't seen? 2. Religion is the worship and belief of a god. Like me ask you what god do a agnostic atheist? 1.Common sense and application of every other piece of history available from the time. 2.Actually, no it's not. Confucianism is a religion, but it has no gods. Religion is an organized collection of beliefs. 1. How is it common sense we assume they did it just because some of us might do it doesn't really count as common sense. Like what? 2. So Confucianism is a ethical and philosophical system |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 19:54:43 GMT -5
1.Common sense and application of every other piece of history available from the time. 2.Actually, no it's not. Confucianism is a religion, but it has no gods. Religion is an organized collection of beliefs. 1. How is it common sense we assume they did it just because some of us might do it doesn't really count as common sense. Um... Yeah, learn English please, that sentence makes literally no sense whatsoever. Also speaking retard is not allowed on this English-speaking site. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 19:55:58 GMT -5
1.Common sense and application of every other piece of history available from the time. 2.Actually, no it's not. Confucianism is a religion, but it has no gods. Religion is an organized collection of beliefs. 2. So Confucianism is a ethical and philosophical system No, it is a religion, as is Neo-Confucianism. Please learn what a religion actually is rather than redefining it to fit your purposes. |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 19:58:06 GMT -5
I doubt Phil has something in his contract that say he can't express his religious beliefs. Also as WK said the interviewer knew his religious beliefs before the interview so I see no reason to ask him what I'm sure we all knew already.
I a somewhat related question why does America have such a boner for rednecks and stupid people(looking at you Kenye West and his wife) all of a sudden
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 20:01:33 GMT -5
1. How is it common sense we assume they did it just because some of us might do it doesn't really count as common sense. Um... Yeah, learn English please, that sentence makes literally no sense whatsoever. Also speaking retard is not allowed on this English-speaking site. Sorry left out the "?" between sense and we. In other words where is the evidence to support your claim. |
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Post by pinksparklepuff on Dec 19, 2013 20:01:36 GMT -5
Because it takes little to no intellect to understand.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 19, 2013 20:03:52 GMT -5
Oh I agree but he also signed the contract. Don't start calling for protection when you signed the contract. Erm, what? Might I see this contract that says he may express his religious beliefs on the show but not in a talk show thing? It's pretty standard. For example my contract: Accordingly should you resign your employment, for any reason, or is ____ terminates you "for Cause" within twenty-four months of the date you first began working for ____ etc etc. For cause shall be defined as (a) failure to perform your duties that causes or likely to cause material harm to the company or material inteference with its operations; (b) dishonesty, willful misconduct, gross negligence, or intentional, or neglect of your duties. In each case having an adverse effect upon the corporation. Which if I made references that Phil made and it was seen as an adverse effect upon my corporation I'd be fired.  |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 19, 2013 20:05:59 GMT -5
Because it takes little to no intellect to understand. Explain Pink |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 20:08:16 GMT -5
Um... Yeah, learn English please, that sentence makes literally no sense whatsoever. Also speaking retard is not allowed on this English-speaking site. Sorry left out the "?" between sense and we. In other words where is the evidence to support your claim. You can't be serious right now. There is literally no point in continuing this discussion, because you are so blinded by your idiocy as to actually look at history. Hell, just look at WK's post where he mentions the fact that they engaged in sermons before every congregational meeting. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 19, 2013 20:09:29 GMT -5
Erm, what? Might I see this contract that says he may express his religious beliefs on the show but not in a talk show thing? It's pretty standard. For example my contract: Accordingly should you resign your employment, for any reason, or is ____ terminates you "for Cause" within twenty-four months of the date you first began working for ____ etc etc. For cause shall be defined as (a) failure to perform your duties that causes or likely to cause material harm to the company or material inteference with its operations; (b) dishonesty, willful misconduct, gross negligence, or intentional, or neglect of your duties. In each case having an adverse effect upon the corporation. Which if I made references that Phil made and it was seen as an adverse effect upon my corporation I'd be fired. So if one is asked a question pertaining to the way they believe, they have to lie if it goes against what the talk show host believes? Cause you know, Phil was kinda asked a question about it, and he answered it accordingly. |
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