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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:12:39 GMT -5
And telekinetic powers doesn't count as some sort of magic? I wouldn't say so no, but that changes with every franchise. Personally I'd say telekinesis is beyond "magic" as magic is typically able to be learned or passed on, whereas telekinesis is usually just developed by the person over time or they are born with it. But magic can be passed on, and left on a person via curse that's only breakable by the guy who casted the spell/curse, couldn't it? |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:15:11 GMT -5
:facepalm:
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Post by wildknight on Jul 17, 2014 15:16:49 GMT -5
... telekinesis just describes a general grouping of effects. There is no rule or norm as to how it's achieved, and fiction gives us dozens of instances of telekinesis being one possible effect of magic. In fact, just about any time you see "magic" in fiction, one of the general effects that magicians use to demonstrate their power is some form of telekinesis. Telekinesis is the descriptive term for what Gandalf and Saruman did to one-another in the terribad "fight scene" in The Two Towers.
Telekinesis is almost always included as an aspect of the ability to "do magic" but is not always related to magic. It can be achieved (in fiction) through a number of means.
There really is no hard and fast definition of what telekinesis is or how it is achieved that applies to every instance of telekinesis in fiction.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 17, 2014 15:17:08 GMT -5
:headbang: (Get it? He's a brick wall!)
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Post by wildknight on Jul 17, 2014 15:18:05 GMT -5
For some reason I never see any of Bane's images (or WSS?s for that matter)
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:18:45 GMT -5
... telekinesis just describes a general grouping of effects. There is no rule or norm as to how it's achieved, and fiction gives us dozens of instances of telekinesis being one possible effect of magic. In fact, just about any time you see "magic" in fiction, one of the general effects that magicians use to demonstrate their power is some form of telekinesis. Telekinesis is the descriptive term for what Gandalf and Saruman did to one-another in the terribad "fight scene" in The Two Towers. Telekinesis is almost always included as an aspect of the ability to "do magic" but is not always related to magic. It can be achieved (in fiction) through a number of means. There really is no hard and fast definition of what telekinesis is or how it is achieved that applies to every instance of telekinesis in fiction. That does not mean they're the same thing, so don't give ati the idea, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:19:33 GMT -5
... telekinesis just describes a general grouping of effects. There is no rule or norm as to how it's achieved, and fiction gives us dozens of instances of telekinesis being one possible effect of magic. In fact, just about any time you see "magic" in fiction, one of the general effects that magicians use to demonstrate their power is some form of telekinesis. Telekinesis is the descriptive term for what Gandalf and Saruman did to one-another in the terribad "fight scene" in The Two Towers. Telekinesis is almost always included as an aspect of the ability to "do magic" but is not always related to magic. It can be achieved (in fiction) through a number of means. There really is no hard and fast definition of what telekinesis is or how it is achieved that applies to every instance of telekinesis in fiction. That does not mean they're the same thing, so don't give ati the idea, lol. They're not the same. But in fiction, they can relate. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:19:33 GMT -5
For some reason I never see any of Bane's images (or WSS?s for that matter) Well, that's strange. Especially since it was an emoticon, lol. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:21:14 GMT -5
That does not mean they're the same thing, so don't give ati the idea, lol. They're not the same. But in fiction, they can relate. You're literally only saying that because Wild just said that magic can lead to telekinesis (which he's not wrong, people do it all of the time). Even if that was relevant and was your original point (which is wasn't), it still does not mean that Shao Kahn has EVER used his magic for telekinesis. Literally, he's never used any form of telekinesis. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:21:29 GMT -5
The fight scene between Saruman and Gandalf was in Fellowship, not Two Towers.
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Post by wildknight on Jul 17, 2014 15:22:23 GMT -5
That does not mean they're the same thing, so don't give ati the idea, lol. Yes, I specified that in the middle there somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:22:52 GMT -5
They're not the same. But in fiction, they can relate. You're literally only saying that because Wild just said that magic can lead to telekinesis (which he's not wrong, people do it all of the time). Even if that was relevant and was your original point (which is wasn't), it still does not mean that Shao Kahn has EVER used his magic for telekinesis. Literally, he's never used any form of telekinesis. Because people can't use magic/telekinesis on themselves... And as i said, we don't know if the "magic" he uses on himself, that forms the green aura around him is telekinesis or not. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 17, 2014 15:23:00 GMT -5
The fight scene between Saruman and Gandalf was in Fellowship, not Two Towers. I stand corrected. ... but it was still stupid. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:23:31 GMT -5
That does not mean they're the same thing, so don't give ati the idea, lol. Yes, I specified that in the middle there somewhere. Too late. He has already got the idea, lol. |
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Post by RandomGB on Jul 17, 2014 15:24:29 GMT -5
I want to operate by ati's logic. The President wears suits. I can wear a suit. Therefore, I am the president. shh don't let others know how I got to be president. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 17, 2014 15:25:05 GMT -5
You're literally only saying that because Wild just said that magic can lead to telekinesis (which he's not wrong, people do it all of the time). Even if that was relevant and was your original point (which is wasn't), it still does not mean that Shao Kahn has EVER used his magic for telekinesis. Literally, he's never used any form of telekinesis. Because people can't use magic/telekinesis on themselves... And as i said, we don't know if the "magic" he uses on himself, that forms the green aura around him is telekinesis or not. Telekinesis does not describe a power source, it describes an effect. What specific effect are you attempting to say is "telekinesis." Does he lift/move things without touching them? You're confusing effects with sources. A fart is an effect. All the Mexican food you ate earlier is the source. Do you understand the difference? |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:25:40 GMT -5
You're literally only saying that because Wild just said that magic can lead to telekinesis (which he's not wrong, people do it all of the time). Even if that was relevant and was your original point (which is wasn't), it still does not mean that Shao Kahn has EVER used his magic for telekinesis. Literally, he's never used any form of telekinesis. Because people can't use magic/telekinesis on themselves... And as i said, we don't know if the "magic" he uses on himself, that forms the green aura around him is telekinesis or not. I never said they couldn't. People do it all of the time. Yes, we can. Check any of his bios. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:27:05 GMT -5
Because people can't use magic/telekinesis on themselves... And as i said, we don't know if the "magic" he uses on himself, that forms the green aura around him is telekinesis or not. Telekinesis does not describe a power source, it describes an effect. What specific effect are you attempting to say is "telekinesis." Does he lift/move things without touching them? You're confusing effects with sources. A fart is an effect. All the Mexican food you ate earlier is the source. Do you understand the difference? Yes, and i'm talking about 'telekinesis" right now as an effect. Somehow, everyone took this as "he is the source", but i'm only saying that he uses the effect on himself. He may be the force. Or not. We don't know. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jul 17, 2014 15:27:22 GMT -5
When Shao Kahn begins to fly, I'll admit that he uses telekinesis on himself. Until then, you're dead wrong and should accept it, ati.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 15:28:31 GMT -5
Because people can't use magic/telekinesis on themselves... And as i said, we don't know if the "magic" he uses on himself, that forms the green aura around him is telekinesis or not. I never said they couldn't. People do it all of the time. Yes, we can. Check any of his bios. "Magic" which includes telekinesis. They don't talk about what kind of magic. I think buffs, and maybe telekinesis as an effect of something. |
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