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Post by ethanm1834 on Nov 26, 2013 18:08:57 GMT -5
So I was watching some old wrestling stuff with my girlfriend the other day watching HBK vs. Bret Hart in the iron man match. She commented on how while she loved the match, felt that shawn was more fun to watch. I asked her why and here was her explanation.
GF: "He makes me care when he gets hurt and when he is on the mic I buy into what he says and I get excited. Bret Hart doesn't do this, nor does Daniel Bryan in todays wrestling."
So after some back and forth about entertainment and just being a straight up good wrestler, I wanted to hear your thoughts. Ideally a wrestler should be both, but is there a market for someone to just be a great entertainer, but mediocre in the ring and vice versa? If you're running WWE what should be the ratio on the talent?
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Post by pinksparklepuff on Nov 26, 2013 18:26:18 GMT -5
In all honesty, entertainment is a must.
Daniel Bryan back when he debuted, was a good wrestler, and just flat out boring. I didn't like him. He did his job, he left, no big deal, the world continued to revolve. He wasn't somebody I looked forward to seeing. Then he grew a beard, went nuts, and I actually started to like him.
It's not just charisma on the mic though, it's also, almost more importantly, charisma in the ring.
My all-time favorite Edge was not one of the greatest wrestlers, but he put heart into everything he did, look at his spear, you're completely pumped for it before he even hits it.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Nov 26, 2013 18:29:17 GMT -5
Very true, that's one of the reasons I loved Edge as well. His facial expressions in the ring, the way he looked when he went for the spear, got me very pumped up. Which is something I feel more people should do.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Nov 27, 2013 4:50:58 GMT -5
I think it's an even split between the two (and many more factors as well). Both are equally as important to me.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 27, 2013 6:22:55 GMT -5
Ridiculous statement is ridiculous 8)
Bret Hart was not just a great technical wrestler. He was one of the best story tellers in the history of the business. Comparing Bret Hart to Daniel Bryan is like comparing J.R.R. Tolkien to the "Dear Penthouse" Forum. Anyone who watches Bret Hart can easily see that the guy is brilliant at constructing matches; in fact, ring psychology is much more his true talent than "technical" wrestling.
I propose an alternative theory, and it goes like this.
Voice of Girlfriend's Brain: "I'm hot for young Michaels, but not Hart, ergo I like Michaels better, but am smart enough to come up with something resembling a plausible excuse rather than just admitting it."
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Post by COZZA on Nov 27, 2013 7:17:51 GMT -5
Added a poll to show which a wrestler should be.
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Nov 27, 2013 8:52:35 GMT -5
Yea, I think you've got to have both to an extent.
As PinkSparklePuff said above, Edge was my favorite wrestler as well an no doubt the guy wasn't the most technical wrestler in the world but when I watched his matches he drew me so into it. Like PinkSparklePuff said as well when he went for a spear I literally was wanting to jump out of my seat excited. Not to mention when the guy won his first title. I went nuts, and I mean absolutely nuts.
Of course I prefer a guy to have some technical abilities to but that isn't everything, neither is the entertainment portion.
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Post by SWF Owner on Nov 27, 2013 8:57:13 GMT -5
Yea, I think you've got to have both to an extent. As PinkSparklePuff said above, Edge was my favorite wrestler as well an no doubt the guy wasn't the most technical wrestler in the world but when I watched his matches he drew me so into it. Like PinkSparklePuff said as well when he went for a spear I literally was wanting to jump out of my seat excited. Not to mention when the guy won his first title. I went nuts, and I mean absolutely nuts. Of course I prefer a guy to have some technical abilities to but that isn't everything, neither is the entertainment portion. Nailed it. |
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Post by muta75 on Nov 27, 2013 10:37:50 GMT -5
i'm not entertained by guys who can't work a match. so i gave it a push...
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Post by wildknight on Nov 27, 2013 11:07:40 GMT -5
LOL that gif of Muta terrifying a baby is awesome
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Post by muta75 on Nov 27, 2013 11:21:32 GMT -5
LOL that gif of Muta terrifying a baby is awesome i know i love that one. first time seeing it, though? i used it on the thq site when they were allowed. |
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Post by wildknight on Nov 27, 2013 11:40:21 GMT -5
I've probably seen it before, but it's awesome every time.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Nov 27, 2013 15:02:00 GMT -5
Ridiculous statement is ridiculous 8) Bret Hart was not just a great technical wrestler. He was one of the best story tellers in the history of the business. Comparing Bret Hart to Daniel Bryan is like comparing J.R.R. Tolkien to the "Dear Penthouse" Forum. Anyone who watches Bret Hart can easily see that the guy is brilliant at constructing matches; in fact, ring psychology is much more his true talent than "technical" wrestling. I propose an alternative theory, and it goes like this. Voice of Girlfriend's Brain: "I'm hot for young Michaels, but not Hart, ergo I like Michaels better, but am smart enough to come up with something resembling a plausible excuse rather than just admitting it." That could be it indeed. When I get her to watch wrestling and it's older stuff, she wants to watch HBK matches.  I don't know if I can compete with Young HBK. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Nov 27, 2013 15:04:00 GMT -5
I've probably seen it before, but it's awesome every time. It would probably be better if it didn't look like it was being filmed with a potato. |
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Post by Double-H215 on Nov 27, 2013 18:23:45 GMT -5
The point of the WWE was to take wrestling to another level. Well, in Vince's view. Making wrestlers more of entertainers. Though, that's what they are to begin with, but I'm talking about entertainers as in the industry's entertainers. This is why the WWE is looking for the main stream audience. For most, wrestling is lame and weird. And the WWE is trying to change that. WCW's nWo is a good example of what the WWE want to do, and keep on doing.
When wrestling hit the light, it's not gonna be what it once was. Because wrestling is actually not cool (not my opinion, general thinking). So at the end of the day, being an entertainer is more important than being a good wrestler.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 27, 2013 19:24:05 GMT -5
The point of the WWE was to take wrestling to another level. Well, in Vince's view. Making wrestlers more of entertainers. Though, that's what they are to begin with, but I'm talking about entertainers as in the industry's entertainers. This is why the WWE is looking for the main stream audience. For most, wrestling is lame and weird. And the WWE is trying to change that. WCW's nWo is a good example of what the WWE want to do, and keep on doing. When wrestling hit the light, it's not gonna be what it once was. Because wrestling is actually not cool (not my opinion, general thinking). So at the end of the day, being an entertainer is more important than being a good wrestler. There's something to that, I guess... but the fact is that WWE keeps pushing "entertainers" like Cena, and audiences more and more are begging to see wrestlers, like Punk and Bryan instead. The fact that the WWE is so reluctant to give fans what they want bothers me on some level. |
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Post by muta75 on Nov 27, 2013 19:31:08 GMT -5
they don't believe that the fans could be "entertained" by a well worked "wrestling" match? in some cases that is true, many of the fans couldn't care less about such things.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 27, 2013 19:35:26 GMT -5
they don't believe that the fans could be "entertained" by a well worked "wrestling" match? in some cases that is true, many of the fans couldn't care less about such things. Normally, I'd agree... but recently we've seen Bryan and Punk both as top merch movers. We've seen Antonio Cesaro being the most searched superstar on the internet, etc etc etc. Let's face it... WWE isn't exactly telling compelling stories anymore, and after the embarrassment of seeing Bray Wyatt in a PPV match, I think more and more fans are starting to care about what's going on in the ring (if they're watching at all). They may not all want technical wrestling, but more and more are wanting to see something special between the ropes. |
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I don't know if I can compete with Young HBK. 
