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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 29, 2013 17:37:12 GMT -5
I found the following completely unforgivable sins against Star Wars from the Clone Wars series (in order of how awful they were, most offensive to least) 1) COMPLETELY rearranged the understanding of the Light and Dark Side with zero regard for the fact that the entire debate had FINALLY been settled with a straight answer from Lucasfilm. They re-opened an old wound, then poured salty lemon juice into it. $#@!ing idiots. What are you referring to? I wasn't even aware that there was a debate (or subsequent controversy) about the Light and Dark side of the Force. Bronson is fantastic. WK will back me up on that. Yeah I've heard others say the same. I don't know why I haven't watched it yet, the trailer looked great. It's just one of those things I need to be in the right mood to sit down for I suppose. |
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Post by wildknight on Nov 29, 2013 18:09:15 GMT -5
1) You don't get a trial for crimes committed in prison. When you're in prison, you don't have the rights of an actual citizen. That's part of the penalty for your inability to get along in normal society. The fact that he didn't (physically) hurt the guard in question is irrelevant. He's a violent felon who earned every moment he's going to spend in prison.
2) That he's "insane" and was "wrongfully" declared sane are your opinions, as is the notion that being insane should keep him from being punished for his crimes. Insane people ALSO cannot get along in the real world, and need to be locked away for the good of the rest of us.
3) I use the quote system just fine, I'm not sure why you seem to think the contrary.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 29, 2013 18:22:34 GMT -5
What are you referring to? I wasn't even aware that there was a debate (or subsequent controversy) about the Light and Dark side of the Force. I'm going to TRY to be brief, because I have very minimal tolerance for this idiotic debate after 25 years of being involved in it 8) According to G-Canon, the Light Side is NOT the "good side" and the Dark Side is NOT the "bad side" of the Force. The "Light Side" of the Force is the Force when it is in balance, whether it be in nature or in an individual. The Force is generated by life, therefore preserving and fostering life is inherently balanced for the Force. What is called "The Dark Side" isn't about moral absolutes, it's about the Force out of balance. Since the Force is the source of and the product of life itself, using the Force (directly) to kill, for instance, is unbalanced... as is using the Force to take away free will, etc. Because of this, there is no such thing as a "neutral" Force, nor is there any such thing as "using the Dark Side for good." The unbalance is inherent to the Dark Side itself. This debate raged for a long time, with a lot of fans insisting that there must be some way to use the Dark Side "for good", such as in an instance where there appears to be no other choice, etc. Eventually it was all explained from on high (as per my explanation above), and Lucas (via his subordinates Rick McCallum and Sue Rostoni) even went so far as to say that by drawing on the Force to destroy the first Death Star, even though it was seemingly his only choice, Luke was dangerously close to the Dark Side, and would later struggle with the darkness (supposedly illustrated in RotJ) in himself that began at that moment. They even went so far as to write the controversy into the story canon by making something called "The Potentium Heresy" (which was essentially the theory that "Light" and "Dark" didn't exist within the Force, only within the individuals that used them, and therefore no Force Techniques should be avoided... ) was the progenitor of the Sith Order. Enter the Clone Wars cartoon, which had a story arc where Anakin landed on a planet controlled by a seemingly all-powerful being who had a son and a daughter. It was eventually revealed that the old man was THE FORCE, his son was THE DARK SIDE, and his daughter was THE LIGHT SIDE, thus bring back the specter of the Potentium Heresy and the concept of a "neutral" or "Gray Side" Force. Bronson is just plain strange. The movie that is. The person too, but I'm talking about the movie. I actually probably would have preferred a more straightforward biopic, but I was still very entertained. I ended up having to go out and do a ton of research on Bronson because frankly, the movie was more about Bronson telling people to grease his ass than it was about giving any kind of insight into the man (it was unquestionably VERY generous in how it portrayed Bronson... the only other movie I can think of that was so ridiculously in the corner of it's criminal protagonist was The Hurricane) |
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 1:17:49 GMT -5
Huh, yeah, I've managed to never be a party to such a debate before. The original canon makes perfect sense to me, I don't really see why it needed to be bent in such a way. And I certainly never caught that episode of the cartoon, that sounds absolutely stupid.
As for Bronson I don't know- I prefer my biopics straightforward as well but if I know it's strange going in then it's not so bad. Never bothered with The Hurricane, last I checked there's plenty of evidence to suggest that he totally did it so the idea of seeing Hollywood turn his story into some kind of feel-good progressive civil rights treatise sounds like a complete waste of my time.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 1:39:50 GMT -5
The odd thing about the movie "The Hurricane" is that they don't even attempt to make any sense out of the whole thing. Their version of his arrest goes something like this...
1) Boxer obviously wins bout, but is cheated out of the victory because of his race
2) Someone gets killed
3) Police decide the most obvious person to frame for the crime is a pseudo-famous boxer
I have no idea if the dude did it or not, but propaganda is all over the movie. It wasn't enough for them to say "this guy is innocent of the crimes he was convicted for, and it's because of his race" (which would have been obnoxious enough)... the movie also had to imply that not winning the Title was ALSO about race, and that all of the situations he encountered in prison and all of his failed appeals after the fact were ALSO all about race.
I actually was more sympathetic to the guy's case BEFORE I saw the movie.
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 1:48:40 GMT -5
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 2:04:57 GMT -5
Ha, great list.
7) Pursuit of Happyness. I actually really admire the guy's honesty in the book, and can't for the life of me figure out why they made so many aggressive changes for the movie. It's not as if Will Smith is afraid to portray a famous person with all of their warts showing (Ali, for example). My understanding is that Chris Gardner is kind of a douchebag in real life though, very full of himself.
6) Don't know anything about 21, but the movie put me to sleep. (I do enjoy the fat kid from the movie in other stuff)
5) Don't tell my wife that Lean On Me is fake. It's one of her favorite movies (actually she loves ALL movies where a tough but loving educator turns around sad little ghetto kids).
4) I liked Rudy, but I can see where, if I were the Coach, I might have a problem with how I was portrayed.
3) That's just... bizarre. I've never seen the movie (probably because soccer makes me want to kill myself), but why would you take a story about a bunch of guys who got tortured and murdered for beating Nazis at a sport, and turn it into some kind of "Great Escape... But With Sports!" with an international cast, just for the Feel Good Finish?
2) I've met Adrian Cronauer, at a charity dinner. I would infinitely prefer spending two hours listening to him talk about his life than listening to or watching Robin Williams do anything (again, don't tell my wife, she loves Williams). But this is not unique for Williams... his "Patch Adams" is about equally historically accurate.
1) We've already discussed The Hurricane.
I'm going to go ahead and refer to MY favorite GTA V character, Michael, who so aptly pointed out Hollywood's completely casual relationship with the truth.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 2:07:06 GMT -5
On a not-really related note: Stallone and DeNiro are appearing in a movie called "Grudge Match" (or something like that) about a pair of over-the-hill boxers who step into the ring to settle the score once and for all. Apparently it's nothing but a vehicle for a bunch of "Raging Bull" and "Rocky" jokes, plus some "Raging Bull vs. Rocky" jokes. As "superstar team-ups" go, it couldn't possibly be any more stupid than Escape Plan, which as far as I can tell was just a movie about Arnold proving he was still cool enough to swear a bunch on camera.
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 2:27:24 GMT -5
"Was" as in you saw Escape Plan? Or is it even out? I was kind of keeping that movie on my backburner because I'm down for a knowingly cheesy action movie starring those two. The boxing thing just sounds like gimmick writing to me but if it keeps Stallone from potentially screwing up the Rocky franchise again (I feel that he left it in a very good place and I'd like him to keep it there) I say more power to him.
On its own was Happyness actually entertaining? Before I knew all that stuff (which sounds like a more interesting story, quite honestly) I have to admit that it looked like an overtly sentimental yet potentially still enjoyable film.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 4:32:03 GMT -5
"Was" as in you saw Escape Plan? Or is it even out? It came out, managed to be a complete financial disaster, and is probably gone from most theaters already. I personally didn't enjoy it at all... I like The Expendables specifically because it revels in being an action movie starring mostly over-the-top 80's and 90's action stars, doing things in the 80's style. This movie had none of that self-awareness. The best part of the movie was Jim Caviezel playing the villain. It wasn't terrible. You know how I feel about sentiment. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 5:51:23 GMT -5
Hmm, I'd disappointed to hear about Escape Plan. I'll still see it, but I suppose it's good to have that heads-up. I liked The Expendables more than I thought I would because of the self-aware candor of the ensemble cast, and while I don't need my 2010s movies featuring 1980s stars to be entirely tongue in cheek I was hoping for at least some goofery to take place in Escape Plan. That it didn't- and apparently takes itself as seriously as the relatively serious trailer that I saw a few weeks ago- does come as a disappointment.
EDIT: What's 50 Cent doing in it? What are any of these shitty rappers doing in anything?
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 7:07:56 GMT -5
50 Cent is, IMO, a surprisingly passable actor. Unlike DMX (who has appeared in at least 2 movies with Steven Seagal)
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Post by WSS? on Nov 30, 2013 10:04:11 GMT -5
I like 50 Cent. Not his music or acting, as I haven't heard or seen either, but I saw an interview of his and he struck me as a generally likable guy.
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 12:03:22 GMT -5
I like 50 Cent. Not his music or acting, as I haven't heard or seen either, but I saw an interview of his and he struck me as a generally likable guy. I don't know about "likable" (anyone that has been shot that many times did something to deserve it at least once or twice...), but he certainly comes across as far more intelligent and thoughtful than most rappers. For guys who have more money than God, P. Diddy and Jay-Z both sound like complete $#@!ing morons every time they open their mouths. |
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Post by Rush on Nov 30, 2013 12:06:10 GMT -5
I like 50 Cent. Not his music or acting, as I haven't heard or seen either, but I saw an interview of his and he struck me as a generally likable guy. I don't know about "likable" (anyone that has been shot that many times did something to deserve it at least once or twice...), but he certainly comes across as far more intelligent and thoughtful than most rappers. For guys who have more money than God, P. Diddy and Jay-Z both sound like complete $#@!ing morons every time they open their mouths. Kanye tops the list. |
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 13:13:52 GMT -5
Kanye West is an infinite fountain of wasted words. He does to the English language what Chris Brown does to women's faces.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Nov 30, 2013 13:33:02 GMT -5
What is Wilder's opinion of Lil' Wayne? lol
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 13:35:27 GMT -5
What is Wilder's opinion of Lil' Wayne? lol I have no idea who he is, really. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Nov 30, 2013 13:37:09 GMT -5
What is Wilder's opinion of Lil' Wayne? lol I have no idea who he is, really. That is for the best. I don't know much of the man either but what I do know is not very kosher. |
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Post by Rush on Nov 30, 2013 13:39:20 GMT -5
What's is everyones opinions on Spike Lee? Personally I think he is a racist jackass if a white guy made do the right thing he would be going off on him. When he's not trying to make everything about race he's not a bad director but I heard the old boy remake sucked big time
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