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Post by ethanm1834 on Nov 30, 2013 17:03:12 GMT -5
What's is everyones opinions on Spike Lee? Personally I think he is a racist jackass if a white guy made do the right thing he would be going off on him. When he's not trying to make everything about race he's not a bad director but I heard the old boy remake sucked big time I think he taps into a market that supports his films. He's made some pretty good films in the past, that speaks to a specific audience. |
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Post by Rush on Nov 30, 2013 17:54:26 GMT -5
More like a angry tyler perry
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 18:12:50 GMT -5
I think that Spike Lee has made a couple of decent films (I don't feel that Do the Right Thing is one of them) and is actually capable of displaying talent. It's too bad then that he dedicates most of his time to being a passionate, outspoken racist and general asshole.
Why is everybody bagging on Steve for calling himself straight edge? I considered myself straight edge at his age (though I didn't call it that, having not yet learned the term at that point) and I've remained so into my 30s. My mom and sister smoke cigarettes and my dad, while nowhere near an alcoholic, regularly drinks beer. Most of my friends smoke or used to smoke pot and many of them used to try to get me to "party" with them. Finally, a pointed disinterest in a companion who does any of these things makes it infinitely harder to find a serious long-term relationship with someone who's really compatible. Despite all of these things, I choose to remain straight edge because I'm not interested in those things and never will be.
Granted, it's true that most people don't really fully know who they are and how they want to be at such a young age. At the same time there's no magic date upon which a person can rightfully claim that he is "officially" the person he wants to be and you guys have to remember that there's a hell of a lot of peer pressure in the teen years, some of Steve's friends have already extolled the "virtues" of getting smashed. It takes a strong commitment to one's personal values to ignore that kind of pressure so if Steve already considers himself straight edge I say more power to him, we shouldn't be discouraging that.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Nov 30, 2013 18:27:40 GMT -5
I think that Spike Lee has made a couple of decent films (I don't feel that Do the Right Thing is one of them) and is actually capable of displaying talent. It's too bad then that he dedicates most of his time to being a passionate, outspoken racist and general asshole. Why is everybody bagging on Steve for calling himself straight edge? I considered myself straight edge at his age (though I didn't call it that, having not yet learned the term at that point) and I've remained so into my 30s. My mom and sister smoke cigarettes and my dad, while nowhere near an alcoholic, regularly drinks beer. Most of my friends smoke or used to smoke pot and many of them used to try to get me to "party" with them. Finally, a pointed disinterest in a companion who does any of these things makes it infinitely harder to find a serious long-term relationship with someone who's really compatible. Despite all of these things, I choose to remain straight edge because I'm not interested in those things and never will be. Granted, it's true that most people don't really fully know who they are and how they want to be at such a young age. At the same time there's no magic date upon which a person can rightfully claim that he is "officially" the person he wants to be and you guys have to remember that there's a hell of a lot of peer pressure in the teen years, some of Steve's friends have already extolled the "virtues" of getting smashed. It takes a strong commitment to one's personal values to ignore that kind of pressure so if Steve already considers himself straight edge I say more power to him, we shouldn't be discouraging that. I think the thing about it is his youth. At that age I didn't smoke, or drink. However once I went to college I grew a love for rum. Not to a degree where I had or still have a problem. However after a hard week of work I tend to go out for a bit of rum. Nothing wrong with being straight edge, but like everything people change. He may not partake and that's good for him. However he's young and I suppose its the cynical nature to state that he will indeed change. |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Nov 30, 2013 18:32:44 GMT -5
I admire Steve too. Though he's young a lot of people his age are already into drugs so I applaud him for his efforts and I hope he can keep it up. Personally, I've never partaken in drugs (excessively), pot, weed, alcohol, etc. and I have no desire too. I've not perfect though, I still have some things I need to work on.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Nov 30, 2013 18:38:46 GMT -5
I admire Steve too. Though he's young a lot of people his age are already into drugs so I applaud him for his efforts and I hope he can keep it up. Personally, I've never partaken in drugs (excessively), pot, weed, alcohol, etc. and I have no desire too. I've not perfect though, I still have some things I need to work on. I admire him, but I think it's foolish of him to claim to be "Straight Edge" and to make a pledge never to do drugs. Personally I plan on never doing drugs or drinking alcohol(mainly because I've seen firsthand what those did to my sister) but even I realize that I may fall into temptation at anytime despite that, and if I do I'll fall much harder than most due to my family's history. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Nov 30, 2013 18:41:05 GMT -5
If you assume that you will fall, then you WILL fall.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Nov 30, 2013 18:42:13 GMT -5
If you assume that you will fall, then you WILL fall. Not always, but whatever gets you through the day. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Nov 30, 2013 18:42:58 GMT -5
That is why, when I go to college, I plan to surround myself with devoted Christians and intelligent people. I went back and read this, and I just have to comment on it this time around. Christians and intelligent people can fall victim to drugs and temptation just like any other man. In fact, intelligent people are generally the first to fall to the deadly grasp of alcoholism and drugs. In fact, I would say some of the most intelligent people I have ever met were severe alcoholics at one point in their life. I'm pretty sure Wildknight has said that he was a former alcoholic before, but I might be mistaken about that.(Correct me if I am wrong Wild) |
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 18:43:43 GMT -5
I get where you guys are coming from and that odds are most people will change their mind about things as they transition from teenager to adult but again, that's not the case for everyone. I stuck to my guns about the stuff I didn't wasn't interested in doing, it's entirely possible that Steve will do the same thing. Sure he might change his mind, but that will ultimately be up to him. I don't want to dismiss his intentions before he's even left the starting gate.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Nov 30, 2013 18:45:21 GMT -5
If you assume that you will fall, then you WILL fall. No, it's the realization that I CAN fall, not the belief that I WILL. The fact that I know that I can fall makes it so much more necessary for me to avoid drugs and alcohol, because I realize what would happen if I only tried it. I've seen firsthand what it can do in several of my close friends as well as family members. I am under no illusion that I may be invincible to its influence on me. |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Nov 30, 2013 18:48:18 GMT -5
That is why, when I go to college, I plan to surround myself with devoted Christians and intelligent people. I went back and read this, and I just have to comment on it this time around. Christians and intelligent people can fall victim to drugs and temptation just like any other man. In fact, intelligent people are generally the first to fall to the deadly grasp of alcoholism and drugs. In fact, I would say some of the most intelligent people I have ever met were severe alcoholics at one point in their life. I'm pretty sure Wildknight has said that he was a former alcoholic before, but I might be mistaken about that.(Correct me if I am wrong Wild) I do agree with this, though I don't think Knight was ever an alcoholic. lol. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Nov 30, 2013 18:49:56 GMT -5
I went back and read this, and I just have to comment on it this time around. Christians and intelligent people can fall victim to drugs and temptation just like any other man. In fact, intelligent people are generally the first to fall to the deadly grasp of alcoholism and drugs. In fact, I would say some of the most intelligent people I have ever met were severe alcoholics at one point in their life. I'm pretty sure Wildknight has said that he was a former alcoholic before, but I might be mistaken about that.(Correct me if I am wrong Wild) I do agree with this, though I don't think Knight was ever an alcoholic. lol. I'm absolutely positive that he has said that he was, although I have met several people who act very similar and are of equal intellect as he is who were alcoholics, so I MIGHT be mistaken. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Nov 30, 2013 18:50:07 GMT -5
I'd say that Knight is too smart for that, but you made a good point, Soon, that no amount of mental strength makes you invulnerable to anything. Not even stupidity... |
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Nov 30, 2013 18:53:53 GMT -5
I do agree with this, though I don't think Knight was ever an alcoholic. lol. I'm absolutely positive that he has said that he was, although I have met several people who act very similar and are of equal intellect as he is who were alcoholics, so I MIGHT be mistaken. He may very well have said it. I might be mistaken too. |
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Post by wildknight on Nov 30, 2013 20:35:30 GMT -5
Uh... *raises hand* Knight struggled with abusing pain killers, marijuana, and alcohol as young as 12 years old.
I'm not trying to insult Steve or question his resolve. I simply believe that it's important to have a reasonable understanding of what life is capable of doing to a person. People who believe that they will NEVER do something frequently suffer from feelings of inadequacy or even worthlessness if they do succumb. I think that Steve would be better served to keep his eyes wide open on the "straight edge" stunt rather than believe that "being straight edge" is somehow a defense against temptation in and of itself.
There is a POWERFUL difference between having a strong will, and being stubborn.
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Nov 30, 2013 20:44:12 GMT -5
Uh... *raises hand* Knight struggled with abusing pain killers, marijuana, and alcohol as young as 12 years old. I'm not trying to insult Steve or question his resolve. I simply believe that it's important to have a reasonable understanding of what life is capable of doing to a person. People who believe that they will NEVER do something frequently suffer from feelings of inadequacy or even worthlessness if they do succumb. I think that Steve would be better served to keep his eyes wide open on the "straight edge" stunt rather than believe that "being straight edge" is somehow a defense against temptation in and of itself. There is a POWERFUL difference between having a strong will, and being stubborn. I'm happy you were able to pull out of that man. You also raise some very good points. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Nov 30, 2013 20:56:43 GMT -5
Uh... *raises hand* Knight struggled with abusing pain killers, marijuana, and alcohol as young as 12 years old. I'm not trying to insult Steve or question his resolve. I simply believe that it's important to have a reasonable understanding of what life is capable of doing to a person. People who believe that they will NEVER do something frequently suffer from feelings of inadequacy or even worthlessness if they do succumb. I think that Steve would be better served to keep his eyes wide open on the "straight edge" stunt rather than believe that "being straight edge" is somehow a defense against temptation in and of itself. There is a POWERFUL difference between having a strong will, and being stubborn. That is very true. If I am so resistant of it, then it will be a nightmare if it ever comes upon me. Much like the relationship between a homophobe and becoming homosexual.
I do NOT see 'straight edge' as a defense against it. I rely purely on God and myself to avoid it, not some silly man-made conception.
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Post by miketheratguy on Nov 30, 2013 22:11:30 GMT -5
I'm an agnostic and I was able to avoid temptation, if you're a person of faith then you have something extra to rely on. Knight's right- considering yourself straight edge isn't itself a magic shield against the feelings that you may encounter when you're down and looking for a lift or simply among friends who choose to partake. However, if you truly value a substance-free lifestyle and like the person that you are because of it, there's no reason why you can't continue to stay strong in your beliefs and simply pass the opportunity to indulge should it arise.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Nov 30, 2013 22:48:34 GMT -5
I'm an agnostic and I was able to avoid temptation, if you're a person of faith then you have something extra to rely on. Knight's right- considering yourself straight edge isn't itself a magic shield against the feelings that you may encounter when you're down and looking for a lift or simply among friends who choose to partake. However, if you truly value a substance-free lifestyle and like the person that you are because of it, there's no reason why you can't continue to stay strong in your beliefs and simply pass the opportunity to indulge should it arise. As I said, I in no way hold it as a defense. I just like to use it as a title for what I am. It gives me a reason to abstain. |
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