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Post by iodill8 on Jan 22, 2014 17:35:24 GMT -5
I never denied there was nobody good. I said that there were more weighing down the average, which is true  No, no it's not. But D-Bry isn't the same. The WWE dumbed down his moveset like a watery soup stock. Eww... Dean Ambrose. I liked him better in NXT, but I think he's overrated. Curtis Axel has potential and I like him. I've never watched Cesaro... Roman Reigns is a fucking beast/boss. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 17:44:15 GMT -5
Okie dokes, but you're wrong  |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 22, 2014 17:44:37 GMT -5
But D-Bry isn't the same. The WWE dumbed down his moveset like a watery soup stock. Eww... Dean Ambrose. I liked him better in NXT, but I think he's overrated. Curtis Axel has potential and I like him. I've never watched Cesaro... Roman Reigns is a f***ing beast/boss. Daniel Bryan is still good with what he has, even if WWE dumbed his moveset down a bunch. Dean Ambrose is great in ring, but he's overrated on the mic and can't act worth a damn in promos. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 22, 2014 17:44:47 GMT -5
Okie dokes, but you're wrong No, you're wrong. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 17:45:22 GMT -5
But D-Bry isn't the same. The WWE dumbed down his moveset like a watery soup stock. Eww... Dean Ambrose. I liked him better in NXT, but I think he's overrated. Curtis Axel has potential and I like him. I've never watched Cesaro... Roman Reigns is a f***ing beast/boss. Daniel Bryan is still good with what he has, even if WWE dumbed his moveset down a bunch. Dean Ambrose is great in ring, but he's overrated on the mic and can't act worth a damn in promos. I agree. Okie dokes, but you're wrong No, you're wrong. Whatever you say..... |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 22, 2014 17:59:53 GMT -5
i want in so i'll say...I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I!?!?!?  |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 22, 2014 18:13:53 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is still good with what he has, even if WWE dumbed his moveset down a bunch. Dean Ambrose is great in ring, but he's overrated on the mic and can't act worth a damn in promos. I agree. Whatever you say..... Why don't we just analyse all of the male WWE wrestlers under 35.. Antonio Cesaro(33)- Great in ring and on the mic with tons of charisma. Will definitely become a big player eventually. Wade Barrett(33)- Above average in ring and mediocre on mic. Looks to be destined for the future endeavor. Big E Lnagston(27)-Poor in ring and on mic, he still has the potential to improve due to his young age and early career. Bray Wyatt(26)- Absolutely awful, but will be a pain in our ass for a long time because his father's high up in the WWE. Brodus Clay(33)- Terrible, and will probably last around on the undercard as a replacement for Khali. Cody Rhodes(28)- Great in ring and good on mic, he has a long ways to go and will be around for quite a while. Curt Hawkins(28)- Likely won't last much longer, so irrelevant. Curtis Axel(34)- Good in ring and decent on mic. He might jump up in the card soon. Damien Sandow(31)- Future top heel of the company guaranteed. Awesome in ring and on the mic. Daniel Bryan(32)- Great in ring and good on the mic, has been over like crazy and will be around for a long time. He'll be stuck on the top for quite a few years. Darren Young(34)- Bad in ring and on the mic. He'll probably stick around for only a few more years. David Otunga(33)- Bad in ring and on the mic, I'm not sure what's been going on with him really. He might be gone by next year for all I know... Dean Ambrose(28)- Future main eventer, good in ring and decent in promos. Dolph Ziggler(33)- Great in ring and good on the mic, it's really hard to pinpoint where he'll end up. Drew McIntyre(28)- Above average in ring, mediocre on the mic. Drew is likely to be gone soon due to his lack of progression. Fernando(31)- Meh? Erick Rowan(32)- Terrible all around. Might not last past the Wyatts for very long. Evan Bourne(30)- Doomed. Fandango(32)- Decent in ring and on the mic. Not really sure how he'll end up. Heath Slater(30)- Don't know why he's still here. Meh? Hornswoggle(27)- Doesn't count. Jack Swagger(31)- Likely won't get anywhere due to his lack of fanbase and his drug charges. The Usos(28)- Both are good in ring, and decent enough on the mic. Really they're a wildcard right now. Jinder Mahal(27)- Meh? JTG(29)- He somehow still works for WWE. It''s anyone's guess as to why...(I'm not even sure if I should include him or not) Justin Gabriel(32)-He is good in ring and bad on the mic. Likely won't go anywhere. Kofi Kingston(32)- Good in ring and decent on the mic. Won't go anywhere. Luke Harper(34)- Meh? The Miz(33)- Good in ring and fantastic on the mic. Poor guy isn't going anywhere... Primo(31)- Meh? Randy Orton(33)- Surprisingly enough. Good in ring and on the mic, will be around for a long time. Roman Reigns(28)- Fantastic. Future face/heel of the company. Ryback(32)- Bad in ring and on the mic, likely will stick around without doing much. Santino(34)- Good in ring and on mic, isn't going anywhere. Seth Rollins(27)- Decent in ring and meh on the mic. Will likely become just another high flyer. Tyson Kidd(33)- Poor Tyson... Xavier Woods(27)- He has potential, likely won't go anywhere. Zack Ryder(28)- Wild card. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 18:31:11 GMT -5
Why don't you just analyze all of WWE instead of just those ones? Age doesn't matter, because I never said "the average wrestler, that is under 35 years old, suck." I said that the average wrestler sucks, which is true, once again. Antonio - Good Wade Barrett - Good Big E. Langston - Bad Bray Wyatt - Bad Brodus Clay(33)- Bad Cody Rhodes(28)- Good Curt Hawkins(28)- Good Curtis Axel(34)- Good Damien Sandow(31)- Good Daniel Bryan(32)- Good Darren Young(34)- Bad David Otunga(33)- Bad Dean Ambrose(28)- Good Dolph Ziggler(33)- Neutral (he'd be good if it weren't for his overselling so much) Drew McIntyre(28)- Good Fernando(31)- Bad Erick Rowan(32)- Bad Evan Bourne(30)- Bad Fandango(32)- Good Heath Slater(30)- Bad Hornswoggle(27)- Bad Jack Swagger(31)- Good The Usos(28)- Not really good or bad, so I'll give them neutral Jinder Mahal(27)- Bad JTG(29)- Bad Justin Gabriel(32)- Good Kofi Kingston(32)- Bad Luke Harper(34)- Bad The Miz(33)- Good Primo(31)- Bad Randy Orton(33)- Good Roman Reigns(28)- Good Ryback(32)- Bad Santino(34)- Good Seth Rollins(27)- Bad Tyson Kidd(33)- Good Xavier Woods(27)- Bad Zack Ryder(28)- Good Then you add the likes of: Alberto Del Rio - Neutral Alex Riley - Bad Big Show - Neutral (I don't think he's much, but since so many think he's great, I'll give him neutral) Billy Gunn - Neutral (I can't really say since I haven't seen him wrestle since his return) Brock Lesnar - Bad Camacho - Bad Christian - Good Cm Punk - Good Rock - Bad El Torito - Bad Ezekiel Jackson - Bad Goldust - Bad Great Khali - Bad Hunico/Sin Cara - Bad John Cena - Neutral (for the sake of the argument) Kane - Neutral (bad in ring, good on mic) Mark Henry - Bad R-Truth - Good Rey Mysterio - Bad Road Dogg - Neutral (see my explanation of Billy Gunn) Sheamus - Good Tensai - Bad Titus O'Neil - Bad Triple H - Neutral (Not entirely sure, but I've been told he's nothing compare to what he used to be? Can he still hold a match or not?) Undertaker - Bad William Regal - Neutral (Don't know if he can still hold a match or not) Yoshi Tatsu - Neutral (He'd be good, but doesn't he have a language barrier stopping him from being good on the mic, or can he speak english?) |
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Post by WSS? on Jan 22, 2014 18:36:55 GMT -5
Xavier Woods(27)- Bad Zack Ryder(28)- Good Alberto Del Rio - Neutral What? He probably speaks English, but WWE thinks it's funny to belittle foreigners. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 18:38:32 GMT -5
Xavier Woods(27)- Bad Zack Ryder(28)- Good Alberto Del Rio - Neutral What? He probably speaks English, but WWE thinks it's funny to belittle foreigners. Woods is nothing right now, although I can see him improving in the future. Zack Ryder, last time I saw him, which was awhile ago, was good in the ring and good with his charisma. Del Rio is great in the ring, but nothing special on the mic. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 22, 2014 18:39:36 GMT -5
First of all, Alex Riley isn't a wrestler. Evan is not bad, JTG should be discarded because he had about...
3 televised matches all of last year, COUNTING superstars. Kofi is good, not bad. Seth Rollins is neutral, Big E Langston has potential because of his young age. Lesnar is not around long enough to count. Camacho isn't even really WWE, he's NXT. The Rock isn't even wrestling anymore. He's officially retired due to his movie producers. El Torito isn't really a wrestler, Jackson is barely around, Goldust is back for a short period, Khali is close to retirement, Hunico/Sin Cara is neutral, Henry won't be around much longer, Mysterio is practically a dead man walking, Titus is actually pretty good on the back and isn't all that shabby in the ring, and finally Taker is a part timer who wrestles one match a year.
Yeah, your point has been invalidated bud.
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Post by wildknight on Jan 22, 2014 18:47:28 GMT -5
WWE DID NOT dumb down Bryan's moveset. Daniel Bryan did. When he first came to the WWE, he was wrestling an almost identical style and arsenal to what he'd used in the indies, except for moves that are outright banned by the WWE (like his vicious armlock/headstomp maneuver, that we will NEVER see on TVPG). Bryan has clearly chosen on his own to strip down his moveset and wrestle a style that is easier for WWE fans deal with. Quite frankly, his current work is quite similar to the supposedly 'legendary" Shawn Michaels in scope.
I am not as relentlessly enthusiastic about Flair as muta, particularly not post 1992 or so, when he decided it would be okay to cut the same promo and wrestle the same match over and over. In defense of 90's Flair, he was actually willing to put Hogan Over when Hogan came to WCW... something Hogan never would have done for him. Hart was very critical of Flair's ringwork (or more specifically, his lack of ring psychology), and I can see what Hart was talking about, I just think that the style difference was more based in how they'd been trained to wrestle than in any "lack" from Flair.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 18:47:50 GMT -5
1. Once again, Alex Riley has had matches last year, and that is all I know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though.
2. Evan is pretty bad, and whether JTG wrestled or not, he's still in WWE as a superstar. He counts
3. Kofi is far from good, Seth Rollins is nothing special, Big E. sucks.....not to mention I'm talking about right now, not in the future, Lesnar has a contract as a superstar for the WWE so he counts, Camacho wrestles and is on the main roster, Rock still has his contract as a Superstar in the WWE, El Torito has had a match this year, Jackson still has his contract, Goldust is a champion and whether or not his contract is short does not matter, Khali is still in WWE as a superstar I don't care about the future, Hunico/Sin cara is not neutral, Henry is still in the WWE, Mysterio is exactly that and he sucks, Titus sucks, Taker still has a contract as a superstar.
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Post by wildknight on Jan 22, 2014 18:49:19 GMT -5
1. Once again, Alex Riley has had matches last year, and that is all I know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. 2. Evan is pretty bad, and whether JTG wrestled or not, he's still in WWE as a superstar. He counts 3. Kofi is far from good, Seth Rollins is nothing special, Big E. sucks..... I agree with all of this. Not sure what the debate about Riley is though. He's terrible, regardless. He's a charisma vacuum. |
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Post by WSS? on Jan 22, 2014 18:51:08 GMT -5
Personally, I would've put Woods as good, Ryder as neutral, and Del Rio as absolutely awful.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 18:51:22 GMT -5
1. Once again, Alex Riley has had matches last year, and that is all I know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. 2. Evan is pretty bad, and whether JTG wrestled or not, he's still in WWE as a superstar. He counts 3. Kofi is far from good, Seth Rollins is nothing special, Big E. sucks..... I agree with all of this. Not sure what the debate about Riley is though. He's terrible, regardless. He's a charisma vacuum. I said (as you already know) that John Cena is better than most of the WWE roster, and Soon is trying to deny that...... |
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Post by iodill8 on Jan 22, 2014 18:51:27 GMT -5
1. Once again, Alex Riley has had matches last year, and that is all I know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. 2. Evan is pretty bad, and whether JTG wrestled or not, he's still in WWE as a superstar. He counts 3. Kofi is far from good, Seth Rollins is nothing special, Big E. sucks.....not to mention I'm talking about right now, not in the future, Lesnar has a contract as a superstar for the WWE so he counts, Camacho wrestles and is on the main roster, Rock still has his contract as a Superstar in the WWE, El Torito has had a match this year, Jackson still has his contract, Goldust is a champion and whether or not his contract is short does not matter, Khali is still in WWE as a superstar I don't care about the future, Hunico/Sin cara is not neutral, Henry is still in the WWE, Mysterio is exactly that and he sucks, Titus sucks, Taker still has a contract as a superstar. Undertaker is old. That's why he sucks compared to 13 years ago and beyond. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 18:52:17 GMT -5
Personally, I would've put Woods as good, Ryder as neutral, and Del Rio as absolutely awful. Lol even then, the count would still be the same either way you put it, it's still: 1 good 1 neutral 1 bad |
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Post by iodill8 on Jan 22, 2014 18:52:31 GMT -5
WWE DID NOT dumb down Bryan's moveset. Daniel Bryan did. When he first came to the WWE, he was wrestling an almost identical style and arsenal to what he'd used in the indies, except for moves that are outright banned by the WWE (like his vicious armlock/headstomp maneuver, that we will NEVER see on TVPG). Bryan has clearly chosen on his own to strip down his moveset and wrestle a style that is easier for WWE fans deal with. Quite frankly, his current work is quite similar to the supposedly 'legendary" Shawn Michaels in scope. I am not as relentlessly enthusiastic about Flair as muta, particularly not post 1992 or so, when he decided it would be okay to cut the same promo and wrestle the same match over and over. In defense of 90's Flair, he was actually willing to put Hogan Over when Hogan came to WCW... something Hogan never would have done for him. Hart was very critical of Flair's ringwork (or more specifically, his lack of ring psychology), and I can see what Hart was talking about, I just think that the style difference was more based in how they'd been trained to wrestle than in any "lack" from Flair. So HBK watered down his moveset too? |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 22, 2014 18:53:06 GMT -5
1. Once again, Alex Riley has had matches last year, and that is all I know. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt though. 2. Evan is pretty bad, and whether JTG wrestled or not, he's still in WWE as a superstar. He counts 3. Kofi is far from good, Seth Rollins is nothing special, Big E. sucks.....not to mention I'm talking about right now, not in the future, Lesnar has a contract as a superstar for the WWE so he counts, Camacho wrestles and is on the main roster, Rock still has his contract as a Superstar in the WWE, El Torito has had a match this year, Jackson still has his contract, Goldust is a champion and whether or not his contract is short does not matter, Khali is still in WWE as a superstar I don't care about the future, Hunico/Sin cara is not neutral, Henry is still in the WWE, Mysterio is exactly that and he sucks, Titus sucks, Taker still has a contract as a superstar. Undertaker is old. That's why he sucks compared to 13 years ago and beyond. I won't disagree (although he was never anything too special even though I liked the guy) but that's besides the point. He's still with the WWE. |
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