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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Feb 1, 2014 22:11:04 GMT -5
lol, I can't really argue against that.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 1, 2014 22:11:40 GMT -5
... yeah, you clearly have no idea what good wrestling looks like. Puts you in good company though, the vast majority of modern wrestling fans don't have a clue either. So is good wrestling a diving salute headbutt???
is good wrestling eye pokes, chops, slaps and The Cobra........??
that's his repertoire......in his current gimmick anyway........never saw him in OVW or FCW whichever he came up through.......
If you think that's his entire repertoire, you're just proving my point. You wrote him off and never actually watched him work.
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Post by Gmensox007 on Feb 1, 2014 22:12:38 GMT -5
lol, I can't really argue against that. Thank you Mr. Bucket......
the defense rests Mr. Knight........
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Post by Gmensox007 on Feb 1, 2014 22:13:53 GMT -5
So is good wrestling a diving salute headbutt???
is good wrestling eye pokes, chops, slaps and The Cobra........??
that's his repertoire......in his current gimmick anyway........never saw him in OVW or FCW whichever he came up through.......
If you think that's his entire repertoire, you're just proving my point. You wrote him off and never actually watched him work. Hear are proof to the point.......
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Post by wildknight on Feb 1, 2014 22:15:01 GMT -5
lol, I can't really argue against that. Thank you Mr. Bucket......
the defense rests Mr. Knight........
... pretty sure he was responding to my point about The Cobra vs. Socko Even if he weren't, I would still be right and you would still be wrong. Santino is well-recognized as one of the more talented guys that the company had on the midcard in the time before the midcard got choked up with a bunch of talented workers who can't move up because; Cena & Punk.
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Post by charliebucketsgranpa on Feb 1, 2014 22:16:03 GMT -5
lol, I can't really argue against that. Thank you Mr. Bucket......
the defense rests Mr. Knight........
Actually, I was saying that I can't argue what Knight was saying about there being no difference between the Cobra and Mr. Socko. I think Santino is quite good in terms of wrestling.
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Post by Gmensox007 on Feb 1, 2014 22:17:38 GMT -5
Must be the gimmick he's been saddled with I guess.....doesn't seem to look that great though.......maybe the gimmick has blinded me.....
*walks around bumping into walls
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Post by wildknight on Feb 1, 2014 22:18:21 GMT -5
If you think that's his entire repertoire, you're just proving my point. You wrote him off and never actually watched him work. Hear are proof to the point.......
... the first one is a 5 minute beatdown by Swagger, a large portion of which the camera isn't even on the ring. The second clearly demonstrates that Santino is a master showman and one of the top sellers in the industry. And is ALSO little more than a beatdown by Swagger. Do you seriously not comprehend that wrestling is more than just how many moves you have in your offensive repertoire? Quick question; how many name-identifiable, different moves have you seen Bryan or Punk use in their recent matches?
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Feb 1, 2014 23:50:29 GMT -5
Thank you Mr. Bucket......
the defense rests Mr. Knight........
... pretty sure he was responding to my point about The Cobra vs. Socko Even if he weren't, I would still be right and you would still be wrong. Santino is well-recognized as one of the more talented guys that the company had on the midcard in the time before the midcard got choked up with a bunch of talented workers who can't move up because; Cena & Punk. Must... resist... urge... to defend my idol....
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Post by wildknight on Feb 1, 2014 23:56:26 GMT -5
... pretty sure he was responding to my point about The Cobra vs. Socko Even if he weren't, I would still be right and you would still be wrong. Santino is well-recognized as one of the more talented guys that the company had on the midcard in the time before the midcard got choked up with a bunch of talented workers who can't move up because; Cena & Punk. Must... resist... urge... to defend my idol.... Defend him all you want, the facts are the facts. As much as the IWC likes to ignore it, Punk was instrumental in holding down a lot of talented workers over the past 2 1/2 years. I'm not saying he wanted it that way or that he tried to do it, only that because the WWE put everything on Punk & Cena, they didn't really try to build anyone else. Even ADR, whom the WWE seemingly has a hardon for pushing no matter how much the fans despise him, was only ever really near the top as much as he was because Cena and/or Punk was otherwise distracted. Look at the list of contenders in that time. Not a one of them has anything going on right now, except Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Feb 2, 2014 0:01:51 GMT -5
Must... resist... urge... to defend my idol.... Defend him all you want, the facts are the facts. As much as the IWC likes to ignore it, Punk was instrumental in holding down a lot of talented workers over the past 2 1/2 years. I'm not saying he wanted it that way or that he tried to do it, only that because the WWE put everything on Punk & Cena, they didn't really try to build anyone else. Even ADR, whom the WWE seemingly has a hardon for pushing no matter how much the fans despise him, was only ever really near the top as much as he was because Cena and/or Punk was otherwise distracted. Look at the list of contenders in that time. Not a one of them has anything going on right now, except Daniel Bryan. The more I see and hear, the less I like Punk. Man I can't tell ya how many of my 'heroes' have failed me, but I suppose that's human nature.
Also, I see what ya mean.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 2, 2014 0:04:13 GMT -5
Punk lacks character, but this has nothing to do with that. It's not Punks fault, it's just how WWE chose to use him. In theory it could be his fault, but I've never heard of Punk trying to politic around backstage. He generally just lets his work talk for him (or runs his mouth in interviews). Either way, he seems very straightforward.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Feb 2, 2014 0:05:39 GMT -5
Punk lacks character, but this has nothing to do with that. It's not Punks fault, it's just how WWE chose to use him. In theory it could be his fault, but I've never heard of Punk trying to politic around backstage. He generally just lets his work talk for him (or runs his mouth in interviews). Either way, he seems very straightforward. He lacks character? How so? Do you expect all wrestlers to be as interesting as Macho Man?
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Post by wildknight on Feb 2, 2014 0:08:00 GMT -5
Punk lacks character, but this has nothing to do with that. It's not Punks fault, it's just how WWE chose to use him. In theory it could be his fault, but I've never heard of Punk trying to politic around backstage. He generally just lets his work talk for him (or runs his mouth in interviews). Either way, he seems very straightforward. He lacks character? How so? Do you expect all wrestlers to be as interesting as Macho Man? LOL no, I mean moral character. Punk is incredibly selfish. ... he's already a very colorful character 8)
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Feb 2, 2014 0:10:34 GMT -5
He lacks character? How so? Do you expect all wrestlers to be as interesting as Macho Man? LOL no, I mean moral character. Punk is incredibly selfish. ... he's already a very colorful character 8) Oh, well duh. Have you read his Twitter bio?
He shares the same disease as most these days. "Nihilist Floozie Syndrome". That may or may not exist.
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 2, 2014 10:10:34 GMT -5
Without blinking, and just because stewie is a twerp and I'm fed up with him being a fool who won't acknowledge his own foolishness... Alberto Del Rio HHH The Rock Miz Ziggler Jericho ALL Main Evented with Punk during his run. & D-Bry at Over The Limit
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Post by wildknight on Feb 2, 2014 12:28:50 GMT -5
Without blinking, and just because stewie is a twerp and I'm fed up with him being a fool who won't acknowledge his own foolishness... Alberto Del Rio HHH The Rock Miz Ziggler Jericho ALL Main Evented with Punk during his run. & D-Bry at Over The Limit I thought somebody already mentioned that one before my post(?)
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 2, 2014 12:43:21 GMT -5
& D-Bry at Over The Limit I thought somebody already mentioned that one before my post(?) Yup, I did. I thought I'd say it again though as Stewie tends to ignore me.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 2, 2014 12:46:12 GMT -5
I thought somebody already mentioned that one before my post(?) Yup, I did. I thought I'd say it again though as Stewie tends to ignore me. Should've known it was you, you're quite the historian. At any rate, I didn't feel any need to re-state what had already been said, I was just adding to the list to reinforce the point; Punk hardly spent his entire 2 1/2 year Main Event run facing Cena and Ryback.
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Post by TomJohns on Feb 2, 2014 14:04:48 GMT -5
Yup, I did. I thought I'd say it again though as Stewie tends to ignore me. Should've known it was you, you're quite the historian. At any rate, I didn't feel any need to re-state what had already been said, I was just adding to the list to reinforce the point; Punk hardly spent his entire 2 1/2 year Main Event run facing Cena and Ryback. Yeah you should've known twas me, I'm disappointed in you Double D
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