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Post by TomJohns on Jan 31, 2014 13:36:34 GMT -5
I love reading the rage of Bryan fans.... LOVE IT.
Nobody but WWE know what the long term plans for D-Bry are, But rumors suggest that Extreme Rules is going to be built around him, Even taking place in his hometown of Washington.
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 13:51:03 GMT -5
Batista could of worked if WWE didn't royally piss off the fans. Daniel Bryan is crazy over and 100% deserved to win the Rumble and headline Mania for the WWE World title. Bryan has had great matches with Orton and Cena in the past. It was OBVIOUS who should of won. What did WWE do? Not only was Bryan not in the Rumble at all, but Batista won it. I hope the WWE Universe keeps hijacking matches with YES chants and random name calling like JBL and Jerry. WWE deserves the flank they are getting and deserves having the fans stick it to them. There are two things wrong with your statement. First, the notion that Batista could have worked. Wrong. He was a moderately successful wrestler at the height of his career. The only time he ever mattered was when he betrayed HHH at the end of Evolution. Beyond that, he has not been a successful guy on his own. He's only ever had market success when he's had someone else to bolster him. Second, the WWE should NOT automatically do things simply because a lot of fans cheer for it. Chants, pop, etc are not proof of anything. Populism is not good business. Not even in entertainment. There are plenty of valid reasons for them not to put Bryan in the WM Main Event, not the least of which is the fact that they already made him World Champion once, and he immediately became a huge liability to the company, to the point that they literally had to job him out in order to save the tiniest bit of his credibility. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 13:52:15 GMT -5
I love reading the rage of Bryan fans.... LOVE IT. Nobody but WWE know what the long term plans for D-Bry are, But rumors suggest that Extreme Rules is going to be built around him, Even taking place in his hometown of Washington. I think the most amusing thing coming from the Bryan fans is simply that they assume that WWE doesn't understand or doesn't care how popular Bryan is right now. It's one thing to disagree with how they're choosing to market the guy because of his popularity. It's another thing entirely to think that they don't care about it. |
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Post by Serboy on Jan 31, 2014 13:56:42 GMT -5
I just thought about something: why did Bryan minimize his moveset? That backflip thing off the turnbuckle, that move he used to choke out someone in the front, that diving headbutt, he rarely does that LeBell Lock anymore...
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 13:57:24 GMT -5
I just thought about something: why did Bryan minimize his moveset? That backflip thing off the turnbuckle, that move he used to choke out someone in the front, that diving headbutt, he rarely does that LeBell Lock anymore... To get Over with the fans who, as I keep saying, hate wrestling. |
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Post by Serboy on Jan 31, 2014 14:05:16 GMT -5
I just thought about something: why did Bryan minimize his moveset? That backflip thing off the turnbuckle, that move he used to choke out someone in the front, that diving headbutt, he rarely does that LeBell Lock anymore... To get Over with the fans who, as I keep saying, hate wrestling. That explains why some fans are idiots these days. They buy too much into hype, craved the past (It pisses me off every time I look at an Attitude/Ruthless Aggression Era video, people put "bring this era back". They don't the current product a chance. I mean, look at Stewie, he's a Brock fanatic (don't know why, especially after Royal Rumble crap).... |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 31, 2014 14:40:00 GMT -5
According to a new report from the Wade Keller Hotline on PWTorch.com, World Wrestling Entertainment is re-evaluating every WWE Creative storyline that has been planned for the foreseeable future. And after only what, four or five years of dwindling buyrates, fan apathy and absolute shit writing? They catch up fast. I love that if this is true it means that they're desperately scrambling right before one of the biggest and most significant events (WM30) that the company will ever produce. To be honest I hope it tanks, maybe then they'll quit fucking around and start taking the business seriously again. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 14:41:03 GMT -5
According to a new report from the Wade Keller Hotline on PWTorch.com, World Wrestling Entertainment is re-evaluating every WWE Creative storyline that has been planned for the foreseeable future. And after only what, four or five years of dwindling buyrates, fan apathy and absolute s*** writing? They catch up fast. I love that if this is true it means that they're desperately scrambling right before one of the biggest and most significant events (WM30) that the company will ever produce. To be honest I hope it tanks, maybe then they'll quit f***ing around and start taking the business seriously again. Cheered for Lesnar, lost your right to complain 8) |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jan 31, 2014 14:43:21 GMT -5
To get Over with the fans who, as I keep saying, hate wrestling. That explains why some fans are idiots these days. They buy too much into hype, craved the past (It pisses me off every time I look at an Attitude/Ruthless Aggression Era video, people put "bring this era back". They don't the current product a chance. I mean, look at Stewie, he's a Brock fanatic (don't know why, especially after Royal Rumble crap).... To be fair, everyone has their favorites. Wether they can execute a move properly is another thing. As an entity WWE is there to make money period. Daniel Bryan to me, was great with his technical prowess in the past. To be honest thats the only thing that I liked about the guy. However, in a mass market simply have watched in ring psychology go and they were cool with it. More and more the fans just don't care about the little details its about what seems to be buzz worthy at the time. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 14:46:11 GMT -5
To be fair, everyone has their favorites. Wether they can execute a move properly is another thing. As an entity WWE is there to make money period. Daniel Bryan to me, was great with his technical prowess in the past. To be honest thats the only thing that I liked about the guy. However, in a mass market simply have watched in ring psychology go and they were cool with it. More and more the fans just don't care about the little details its about what seems to be buzz worthy at the time. More than anything, it's the loss of ring psychology that really hurts me personally. In the past, a guy could be a straight up brawler without much technical skill, but still be a very capable storyteller in the ring. These days a lot of guys are technicians and still have no clue how to build a match. The growing importance of "high spots" and lack of patience with slow builds amongst the fanbase are partially responsible for keeping some guys who really should be bigger stars than they are out of the limelight. |
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Post by TomJohns on Jan 31, 2014 14:48:23 GMT -5
I hope they get rid of the PG label....
Not for blood and head shots with a chair (lets face it, it's good these things aren't included).
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Post by Serboy on Jan 31, 2014 14:49:35 GMT -5
That explains why some fans are idiots these days. They buy too much into hype, craved the past (It pisses me off every time I look at an Attitude/Ruthless Aggression Era video, people put "bring this era back". They don't the current product a chance. I mean, look at Stewie, he's a Brock fanatic (don't know why, especially after Royal Rumble crap).... To be fair, everyone has their favorites. Wether they can execute a move properly is another thing. As an entity WWE is there to make money period. Daniel Bryan to me, was great with his technical prowess in the past. To be honest thats the only thing that I liked about the guy. However, in a mass market simply have watched in ring psychology go and they were cool with it. More and more the fans just don't care about the little details its about what seems to be buzz worthy at the time. ^This.^ Agreed. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 31, 2014 14:50:32 GMT -5
And after only what, four or five years of dwindling buyrates, fan apathy and absolute s*** writing? They catch up fast. I love that if this is true it means that they're desperately scrambling right before one of the biggest and most significant events (WM30) that the company will ever produce. To be honest I hope it tanks, maybe then they'll quit f***ing around and start taking the business seriously again. Cheered for Lesnar, lost your right to complain 8) Hey, I thought Lesnar's booking in 2004 was retarded too. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 14:51:02 GMT -5
I really don't believe that being PG hurts them. I believe that a series of increasingly stupid choices has hurt them. I believe that a serious shift in the mentality of both the audience and the performers has hurt them. I believe that a failure to understand how one builds a family-oriented product has hurt them.
The PG rating has never harmed Disney.
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 14:52:17 GMT -5
Cheered for Lesnar, lost your right to complain 8) Hey, I thought Lesnar's booking in 2004 was retarded too. It was always retarded. To be fair though, it's not JUST Lesnar. It's guys I cheered for as well, like Orton. That whole "class" got pushed to the Main Event too fast and left the company with nowhere to go. Lesnar is a special kind of awful, but as booking mistakes go, it wasn't limited to just him. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 31, 2014 14:57:43 GMT -5
Eh, I waver on Orton. I liked him quite a bit at first (if I recall correctly he debuted around summer of 2002) and didn't think that he was pushed too fast (he won his first "big" title two years later and did it after getting the rub from Flair and Triple H), but I do think that he was pushed too hard. The WWE more or less relied on him, Cena, and Triple H for the next several years. They do that. They fall in love with certain people, cram them into the top of the promotion, and keep them there for pretty much the rest of their career whether it makes sense or not (see also: Batista).
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Post by TomJohns on Jan 31, 2014 14:59:01 GMT -5
I really don't believe that being PG hurts them. I believe that a series of increasingly stupid choices has hurt them. I believe that a serious shift in the mentality of both the audience and the performers has hurt them. I believe that a failure to understand how one builds a family-oriented product has hurt them. The PG rating has never harmed Disney. Yeah. But I think being Non-PG would give them more room to breath in the promo departments. Lets face it WWE's major audience is still adults 21 or over and shouldn't have to sit through crappy children jokes during promo's. Here is a link where WWE says that... corporate.wwe.com/company/overview.jsp --- From the horses mouth. Basically I'm saying that WWE should cater to their larger audience. |
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Post by Serboy on Jan 31, 2014 14:59:54 GMT -5
I remember Royal Rumble (2002). The Rock vs. Chris Jericho for the Undisputed WWF Championship was a decent match. But the SmackDown! episode before the PPV, I actually enjoyed The Rock & Rob Van Dam vs. Chris Jericho & Test. For starters, all 4 were decent. Second, the match got better when the pace sped up. And when RVD & Test brawled outside the ring, Rock & Jericho were just tearing each other apart. For a couple of moments, I thought Jericho was going to beat Rock cleanly in that match. My point is, I shouldn't be able to tell who's going to win in the first few seconds of a match...
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 15:02:58 GMT -5
Two years is a pretty quick rise to the top. Most of the great champions before that generation were in the business about 10 years before getting a major strap. Lesnar, Orton, and Cena all got theirs much more quickly. Lesnar 2 years, Orton 4 years, and Cena 6 years.
I have always defended Orton, and the "Legend Killer", IMO, is one of the top 10 greatest gimmicks of all time... but a decade of near omnipresence in the Main Event picture is too much.
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Post by wildknight on Jan 31, 2014 15:04:30 GMT -5
Basically I'm saying that WWE should cater to their larger audience. Yeah, I don't see that. The "larger audience" that they need IS the family audience. |
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