Another Anonymous Letter

[muta75]

so when the wwe doesn't "honor it's commitments/contracts" that's fine, but when one of the "field hands" decides he doesn't want it anymore..that's an issue?

is there a possibility that anything he would have done would have been met with by venom by the likes of you?

[miketheratguy]

Feb 8, 2014 23:37:51 GMT -5 wildknight said:

You people defending Punk really need to take your fanboy hat off for a while. The guy b****ed up, period. He didn't get his way so he took his ball and went home. I don't care how you try to spin it, that was bulls*** on the playground and it's bulls*** now. I say good riddance.

As to the notion that he "took responsibility"... no, he didn't. He stirred up a s***storm and then sat there and lied to the public with a smile on his face, acting as if he really wanted Bryan to get that Mania shot and he wasn't really bothered by Batista coming in. b**** please.

My understanding is that Punk did come straight out and say that he wasn't happy with Batista winning the Rumble and that it was a crappy thing to do to the people who work 300 days a year for the company. I think there's video of it out there. If I recall correctly in this same interview he also said that he didn't like what was being done to Bryan.

And isn't this talk of him wanting a Mania shot just rumor at this point? Is this a known fact or just conjecture and internet speculation? How do we know with any certainty whatsoever why he left and what he wants? All we have from his side is the fact of his absence, an absence which is itself unsupported by explanations from either side.

I still think that up and walking out of the company for not getting your way is in fact a bitch move. But how can I say that that's what's happening here without knowing the details of the disagreement? Maybe Punk screwed over Vince, maybe Vince screwed over Punk, maybe there was some kind of irreconcilable situation that forced the hand of BOTH men. Until we actually know for sure what actually happened to cause all of this I don't know why anyone is so resolute either way, and I also don't know why everyone's so sure that this isn't still a work or that these "anonymous letters" aren't complete fabrications regardless.

[wildknight]

Feb 9, 2014 7:26:17 GMT -5 muta75 said:

so when the wwe doesn't "honor it's commitments/contracts" that's fine, but when one of the "field hands" decides he doesn't want it anymore..that's an issue?

Uh. No. It's not okay for WWE to ignore it's agreements. Do you have some evidence that the WWE guaranteed this goon a WM Main Event or something? Or that they paid him less than promised? Or anything at all suggesting that they didn't honor his contract?

[wildknight]

Feb 9, 2014 7:56:38 GMT -5 miketheratguy said:

My understanding is that Punk did come straight out and say that he wasn't happy with Batista winning the Rumble and that it was a crappy thing to do to the people who work 300 days a year for the company. I think there's video of it out there. If I recall correctly in this same interview he also said that he didn't like what was being done to Bryan.

Actually, he blatantly denied that he felt that way, and the video of him doing so is right here on the board. He doesn't go so far as to defend the Batista thing outright, but he does say that Batista is "different" than The Rock because he's not back part time, etc. I didn't believe a word out of his mouth, but according to his own claims, he's not upset about it.

And isn't this talk of him wanting a Mania shot just rumor at this point?

Aside from the fact that he was very obviously lying in his stupid interview? Not really, but he has been extremely vocal in interviews that he wants to retire soon, and that Main Eventing Wrestlemania was his last career goal, so it stands entirely to reason that he would be pissed about it. He DID say in the aforementioned video (again, it was posted somewhere on this site) that he thought Bryan deserved it, and again, he was clearly lying through his teeth.

that these "anonymous letters" aren't complete fabrications regardless.

Actually I think everyone is under the impression that these letters are complete fabrications. I certainly am, and have said so 8)

I don't think Punk quitting is a work. The behavior fits with his established pattern. I do think that like most ornery little bitches that walk out of the company when they're not getting their way, he'll be back *looks at Batista*

[miketheratguy]

I think I'd have to watch the "lying" interview that you're talking about. Punk doesn't strike me as dishonest, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who has any reason to be. That said I'm cynical and don't trust many people and haven't seen the interview in question, so I don't know. All I'm sure of is that I was told about an interview (Comicon maybe?) where he flat-out stated that he considered Batista a friend and / or had no personal grudge against him but felt that pushing him over the full-timers was essentially a slap in the face. I could be incorrect, or maybe he's changed his tune since then. I can't personally say.

Regardless, I do still think that everyone is putting their own feelings about Punk into the argument for lack of actual facts. Until I know more about the situation, I still don't feel that I'm in any position to make judgments.

[Deleted]

Feb 8, 2014 23:37:51 GMT -5 wildknight said:

You people defending Punk really need to take your fanboy hat off for a while. The guy b****ed up, period. He didn't get his way so he took his ball and went home. I don't care how you try to spin it, that was bulls*** on the playground and it's bulls*** now. I say good riddance.

As to the notion that he "took responsibility"... no, he didn't. He stirred up a s***storm and then sat there and lied to the public with a smile on his face, acting as if he really wanted Bryan to get that Mania shot and he wasn't really bothered by Batista coming in. b**** please.

Saying Punk took his ball and went home is an inaccurate analogy. It's Vince' s ball, Punk just decided to stop playing with it. The game still goes on without Punk. If anything other people on the roster have an opportunity to take the ball and show Vince what they can do with it.

[muta75]

Feb 9, 2014 8:12:22 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Feb 9, 2014 7:26:17 GMT -5 muta75 said:

so when the wwe doesn't "honor it's commitments/contracts" that's fine, but when one of the "field hands" decides he doesn't want it anymore..that's an issue?

Uh. No. It's not okay for WWE to ignore it's agreements. Do you have some evidence that the WWE guaranteed this goon a WM Main Event or something? Or that they paid him less than promised? Or anything at all suggesting that they didn't honor his contract?

the company has released people with active contracts many times. for their own reasons, valid or otherwise. if they have that right, then a guy has every right to walk out at any point, whether their reason to do so is valid or not.

if the company can terminate a contract then so can the employee..

[Rush]

It is......... Rikishi and he did it for the rock

[stewie34732]

i bet money that punk's last run @ wrestling if he decides to come back , he'll be in ROH

[wildknight]

Feb 9, 2014 8:37:52 GMT -5 @crazyday said:

Feb 8, 2014 23:37:51 GMT -5 wildknight said:

You people defending Punk really need to take your fanboy hat off for a while. The guy b****ed up, period. He didn't get his way so he took his ball and went home. I don't care how you try to spin it, that was bulls*** on the playground and it's bulls*** now. I say good riddance.

As to the notion that he "took responsibility"... no, he didn't. He stirred up a s***storm and then sat there and lied to the public with a smile on his face, acting as if he really wanted Bryan to get that Mania shot and he wasn't really bothered by Batista coming in. b**** please.

Saying Punk took his ball and went home is an inaccurate analogy. It's Vince' s ball, Punk just decided to stop playing with it. The game still goes on without Punk. If anything other people on the roster have an opportunity to take the ball and show Vince what they can do with it.

Fair enough.

[wildknight]

Feb 9, 2014 9:15:06 GMT -5 muta75 said:

Feb 9, 2014 8:12:22 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Uh. No. It's not okay for WWE to ignore it's agreements. Do you have some evidence that the WWE guaranteed this goon a WM Main Event or something? Or that they paid him less than promised? Or anything at all suggesting that they didn't honor his contract?

the company has released people with active contracts many times. for their own reasons, valid or otherwise. if they have that right, then a guy has every right to walk out at any point, whether their reason to do so is valid or not.

if the company can terminate a contract then so can the employee..

... that's not violating a contract. Those contracts are what is known to lay people as "at will," meaning that the employer can terminate them with adequate reason. Your supposition regarding the two-way street is your opinion, but it's not generally the way at will contracts are understood.

[muta75]

i'm glad Punk left a situation where he wasn't happy, for whatever reason that is. life is too short to be in a rat bastard situation..

[wildknight]

Feb 9, 2014 13:30:22 GMT -5 muta75 said:

i'm glad Punk left a situation where he wasn't happy, for whatever reason that is. life is too short to be in a rat bastard situation..

Yep, that's a mature response. "I'm not happy right this second, so I'm out."

[muta75]

Feb 9, 2014 13:33:13 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Feb 9, 2014 13:30:22 GMT -5 muta75 said:

i'm glad Punk left a situation where he wasn't happy, for whatever reason that is. life is too short to be in a rat bastard situation..

Yep, that's a mature response. "I'm not happy right this second, so I'm out."

he may not have been happy for quite a long time, but went with the good soldier routine. at some point a lost cause is too much to deal with..

[wildknight]

Feb 9, 2014 13:45:49 GMT -5 muta75 said:

Feb 9, 2014 13:33:13 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Yep, that's a mature response. "I'm not happy right this second, so I'm out."

he may not have been happy for quite a long time, but went with the good soldier routine. at some point a lost cause is too much to deal with..

Still think it's a childish move that demonstrates a lack of concern for the company, the other guys he works with, and the fans. Apparently I'm the only one around here who thinks that being selfish is a bad thing though.

If he's genuinely SO hurt that he can't keep working, WWE would have written him an out and let him leave with grace. They've always been willing to do that for everyone else. If he's leaving because he's butthurt, he should have at least had the respect for his fellow workers and the company that has made him very wealthy to stick around until after Wrestlemania. If he had sacked up instead of acting like an 8 year old rage quitting Beat the Streak Mode, once again, I'm sure WWE would have let him walk away after Mania with dignity.

... the sad part is, if he wanted to show up on RAW WWE would welcome him back with open arms.

[muta75]

Feb 9, 2014 16:56:17 GMT -5 wildknight said:

Feb 9, 2014 13:45:49 GMT -5 muta75 said:

he may not have been happy for quite a long time, but went with the good soldier routine. at some point a lost cause is too much to deal with..

Still think it's a childish move that demonstrates a lack of concern for the company, the other guys he works with, and the fans. Apparently I'm the only one around here who thinks that being selfish is a bad thing though.

If he's genuinely SO hurt that he can't keep working, WWE would have written him an out and let him leave with grace. They've always been willing to do that for everyone else. If he's leaving because he's butthurt, he should have at least had the respect for his fellow workers and the company that has made him very wealthy to stick around until after Wrestlemania. If he had sacked up instead of acting like an 8 year old rage quitting Beat the Streak Mode, once again, I'm sure WWE would have let him walk away after Mania with dignity.

... the sad part is, if he wanted to show up on RAW WWE would welcome him back with open arms.

if he's been unhappy for a year, but stuck it out with a good face on it, isn't that showing "concern for the company and the boys"? he jobbed to Rock so the company could have their "once in a lifetime" rematch wrestlemania moment. he watched them drop the ball in a big way when he and Cena were the co-wwe champ. perhaps he left because Bryan isn't going to be in the main event of WM that Punk feels DB deserves...

here is where you say Punk doesn't want Bryan to be in the WM ME..

[miketheratguy]

We're all still going in circles without the facts.

[muta75]

Feb 9, 2014 19:02:12 GMT -5 miketheratguy said:

We're all still going in circles without the facts.

it's the internet, who has time for facts? i'll wait for Punk to sit down with Sean Oliver, until then it's speculation city...

[pinksparklepuff]

CM Punk left for himself.
You can say anything about him leaving how you see fit, but what he did was completely unprofessional. If he left for Bryan, he went about it the entirely wrong way.
He screwed the WWE. CM Punk screwed CM Punk. I had to work that in there somehow, but it just wouldn't flow properly.

[muta75]

Feb 9, 2014 19:15:44 GMT -5 pinksparklepuff said:

CM Punk left for himself.
You can say anything about him leaving how you see fit, but what he did was completely unprofessional. If he left for Bryan, he went about it the entirely wrong way.
He screwed the WWE. CM Punk screwed CM Punk. I had to work that in there somehow, but it just wouldn't flow properly.

he quit his job...when you decide to quit, why the fuck would you care about the state of the company you're quitting? since he's quitting, he doesn't need to care.