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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Feb 26, 2014 13:16:26 GMT -5
Okay I have to say the Network is actually is edited. They removed DDP WCW theme and the dubbed over Cesaro name. Hold on. You watched WCW? The PPV's work now? |
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 26, 2014 14:31:07 GMT -5
That's debatable. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong, I am however saying that paying the fees in order to provide the footage in it original form was an option. It's not a huge deal to me to hear a Nirvana song but I'm sad to see that an extremely wealthy company still insists on taking cost-cutting measures at the expense of delivering the unaltered content that its audience would prefer to have. I recognize that it's their prerogative, but it's still a disappointment. ... I didn't say it wasn't an option. I said it wasn't financially responsible. We don't know how much money the company actually has to spend, how much it would actually cost to broadcast the footage as is, and how much money could be gained (or potentially lost) by either decision. I would think we'd need those to judge whether releasing unedited footage is "financially irresponsible". |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 15:38:42 GMT -5
We don't know how much money the company actually has to spend, how much it would actually cost to broadcast the footage as is, and how much money could be gained (or potentially lost) by either decision. I would think we'd need those to judge whether releasing unedited footage is "financially irresponsible". ... that's an awfully huge assumption. In point of fact, the cost of using Nirvana music was in the news just a couple of years ago when the surviving band members were in dispute with Courtney Love, and there was quite a bit of talk about the numbers, as well as the hoops that companies had to jump through in order to get the rights to use their music. The cost of using licensed music in general has actually gone up quite a bit in the last few years. The WWE is publicly traded. It would be ridiculous for them to invest millions of dollars (which would then come directly out of investors pockets) for a two year contract to be able to play a 30 second bit of some Nirvana music every time someone watches an old WCW match, rather than simply digitally editing in one of his other themes. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 26, 2014 15:45:07 GMT -5
I'm sure that it's a difficult and costly procedure to include the original music, I'm just saying that we don't know enough about the specific details, nor the ratio of projected loss versus potential gain, to make the call as to whether WWE made the "right" move. We simply have to trust them and assume that editing the footage is the only reasonable choice for them to make, two things that I'm hesitant to do.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 15:55:57 GMT -5
I'm sure that it's a difficult and costly procedure to include the original music, I'm just saying that we don't know enough about the specific details, nor the ratio of projected loss versus potential gain, to make the call as to whether WWE made the "right" move. We simply have to trust them and assume that editing the footage is the only reasonable choice for them to make, two things that I'm hesitant to do. What "gain' are you talking about? How could paying for the licensed music possibly improve their profit margin??? |
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Post by prestige85 on Feb 26, 2014 15:56:01 GMT -5
That's disappointing, especially considering that the Network was touted as being unedited and uncut. WWE should have at least gave a notice that certain themes would have to be replaced due to copyright issues, and editing Cesaro matches so they no longer call him Antonio is ludicrous and unwarranted.
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Post by WSS? on Feb 26, 2014 15:56:56 GMT -5
Editing Cesaro matches so they no longer call him Antonio is ludicrous and unwarranted. I'm wondering how much money they wasted paying a guy to do that. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 15:57:06 GMT -5
The only thing about this that bugs me whatsoever is that the WWE shouldn't have said "unedited" if it they were going to do edits LOL
I don't really get the Cesaro thing at all.
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Post by miketheratguy on Feb 26, 2014 16:08:14 GMT -5
I'm sure that it's a difficult and costly procedure to include the original music, I'm just saying that we don't know enough about the specific details, nor the ratio of projected loss versus potential gain, to make the call as to whether WWE made the "right" move. We simply have to trust them and assume that editing the footage is the only reasonable choice for them to make, two things that I'm hesitant to do. What "gain' are you talking about? How could paying for the licensed music possibly improve their profit margin??? A large percentage of their audience was disappointed by the extensive edits done to the anthology dvd sets (edits that were carried over as recently as in last year's individual Wrestlemania dvds). At this time the only ways to see much of the original, unedited classic WCW and WWE footage are to either find an original VHS recording or import the British "Tagged Classics" dvd sets. Unedited footage seemed to be one of the selling points of the network so WWE is obviously aware of the demand for it. The only thing about this that bugs me whatsoever is that the WWE shouldn't have said "unedited" if it they were going to do edits LOL I don't really get the Cesaro thing at all. Agreed. |
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Post by prestige85 on Feb 26, 2014 16:16:06 GMT -5
I heard there were further edits made to the individual WrestleMania DVDs in order to make them more suitable for children. Some chairshots and scenes of people being choked were supposedly removed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 16:17:57 GMT -5
Is it working now or is it still dead?
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Post by prestige85 on Feb 26, 2014 16:19:39 GMT -5
Editing Cesaro matches so they no longer call him Antonio is ludicrous and unwarranted. I'm wondering how much money they wasted paying a guy to do that. If they managed to spite some fans then I'm sure they wouldn't consider it "wasting money", they seem to get off on disappointing fans and then rubbing it in their faces later on down the road. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 16:19:58 GMT -5
That kind of editing is REALLY stupid. If today's product is PG, so be it. You can still release a DVD with a TV-14 or M rating and expect parents to actually do their $#@!ing job and decide if it's right for their children or not. Hacking up matches to meet current standards is really messed up.
... and there's still no potential profit in paying a few million dollars so that people can not have to bitch about which DDP theme they're hearing 8)
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 16:23:09 GMT -5
Editing Cesaro matches so they no longer call him Antonio is ludicrous and unwarranted. I'm wondering how much money they wasted paying a guy to do that. Not much. At this point you don't have to sit and listen to several hours of sound footage to find individual uses of a word or term... you can "find all and replace" much as you can with a word document. It still seems like an incredibly stupid and pointless thing to do though. I wonder if they're going to go through everybody who ever had a gimmick change and alter them all to the most acceptable gimmick LOL |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 16:23:22 GMT -5
I'm wondering how much money they wasted paying a guy to do that. If they managed to spite some fans then I'm sure they wouldn't consider it "wasting money", they seem to get off on disappointing fans and then rubbing it in their faces later on down the road. Oh they do not. Grow up. |
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Post by WSS? on Feb 26, 2014 16:26:45 GMT -5
I'm wondering how much money they wasted paying a guy to do that. If they managed to spite some fans then I'm sure they wouldn't consider it "wasting money", they seem to get off on disappointing fans and then rubbing it in their faces later on down the road. :lol: Yep. They think they're getting heat for the Authority, but instead they're just getting X-Pac heat. That kind of editing is REALLY stupid. If today's product is PG, so be it. You can still release a DVD with a TV-14 or M rating and expect parents to actually do their $#@!ing job and decide if it's right for their children or not. Hacking up matches to meet current standards is really messed up. Not a fan of the Attitude Era or ECW, but I agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2014 16:27:18 GMT -5
That kind of editing is REALLY stupid. If today's product is PG, so be it. You can still release a DVD with a TV-14 or M rating and expect parents to actually do their $#@!ing job and decide if it's right for their children or not. Hacking up matches to meet current standards is really messed up. ... and there's still no potential profit in paying a few million dollars so that people can not have to b**** about which DDP theme they're hearing 8) Agreed. |
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Post by WSS? on Feb 26, 2014 16:27:43 GMT -5
I'm wondering how much money they wasted paying a guy to do that. Not much. At this point you don't have to sit and listen to several hours of sound footage to find individual uses of a word or term... you can "find all and replace" much as you can with a word document. It still seems like an incredibly stupid and pointless thing to do though. I wonder if they're going to go through everybody who ever had a gimmick change and alter them all to the most acceptable gimmick LOL Next, they're going to edit "Wade" out of all of Barrett's appearances. |
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Post by wildknight on Feb 26, 2014 16:28:14 GMT -5
Not a fan of the Attitude Era or ECW, but I agree. Neither am I, but it was what it was. We can always choose not to watch. |
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Post by prestige85 on Feb 26, 2014 16:32:17 GMT -5
If they managed to spite some fans then I'm sure they wouldn't consider it "wasting money", they seem to get off on disappointing fans and then rubbing it in their faces later on down the road. Oh they do not. Grow up. Should have put an emoticon like this  in there so people wouldn't take such a whimsical statement seriously. |
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in there so people wouldn't take such a whimsical statement seriously.