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Post by WSS? on May 5, 2014 18:19:09 GMT -5
Here in Hungary it WAS good in idea.... yeah.. in idea.. *TRIPLE Facpalm* MY GOD, SOON'S GROWN A THIRD ARM |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 18:19:17 GMT -5
Well, idunno. I was born when it ended, but as i heard it was so much better for the Hungarians when there were communism.
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Post by monkeywool on May 5, 2014 18:19:34 GMT -5
whet part of communism even sounds good on paper? Most, if not all of it. On paper, anyway. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 5, 2014 18:20:18 GMT -5
MY GOD, SOON'S GROWN A THIRD ARM Nah, that was just my tail. |
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Post by skylerb97 on May 5, 2014 18:21:28 GMT -5
whet part of communism even sounds good on paper? Most, if not all of it. On paper, anyway. true but at some point I kinda feel like anyone who still practices it knows it will fail Nd that there just determined to squeeze out enough power until it does |
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Post by monkeywool on May 5, 2014 18:23:25 GMT -5
Most, if not all of it. On paper, anyway. true but at some point I kinda feel like anyone who still practices it knows it will fail Nd that there just determined to squeeze out enough power until it does Problem is human nature can't cope with the idea of communism or socialism, at least the ones who are, or want to be in charge anyway. Mainly because we're selfish and want to make sure we get the best we can to improve our lives/family. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 5, 2014 18:25:07 GMT -5
whet part of communism even sounds good on paper? Most, if not all of it. On paper, anyway. The on paper argument is a bunch of bullcrap. So what if it seems like a good idea "on paper" the reality is that it's not a good idea. Sure, the outline may seem like it would work out and all, but if it doesn't then who the **** cares? It doesn't work, end of story. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 18:25:22 GMT -5
Okay, let's get back to BoBo Fat...
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Post by monkeywool on May 5, 2014 18:27:12 GMT -5
Most, if not all of it. On paper, anyway. The on paper argument is a bunch of bullcrap. So what if it seems like a good idea "on paper" the reality is that it's not a good idea. Sure, the outline may seem like it would work out and all, but if it doesn't then who the **** cares? It doesn't work, end of story. Under the right circumstances, with the right mentality of people, it'd work. However, most of the time, the people who turn up in power are exactly the wrong types of people. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 5, 2014 18:29:16 GMT -5
The on paper argument is a bunch of bullcrap. So what if it seems like a good idea "on paper" the reality is that it's not a good idea. Sure, the outline may seem like it would work out and all, but if it doesn't then who the **** cares? It doesn't work, end of story. Under the right circumstances, with the right mentality of people, it'd work. However, most of the time, the people who turn up in power are exactly the wrong types of people. The lure of power can corrupt even the most righteous of minds. |
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Post by skylerb97 on May 5, 2014 18:45:38 GMT -5
I swear we're the only group if people who could turn a discussion about Star Wars into one about communism
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 18:48:20 GMT -5
I've started an entire argument over what type of government the Empire is before, so...
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 5, 2014 18:48:58 GMT -5
I swear we're the only group if people who could turn a discussion about Star Wars into one about communism ***** I was once in an argument about symbols in 1984 that turned into an argument about how many languages Tolkien created. |
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Post by skylerb97 on May 5, 2014 18:58:02 GMT -5
I swear we're the only group if people who could turn a discussion about Star Wars into one about communism ***** I was once in an argument about symbols in 1984 that turned into an argument about how many languages Tolkien created. how many did he create exactly? That just seems like it could be an interesting statistic |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 5, 2014 19:02:31 GMT -5
***** I was once in an argument about symbols in 1984 that turned into an argument about how many languages Tolkien created. how many did he create exactly? That just seems like it could be an interesting statistic Technically he didn't complete any of the languages(He worked on them until death put an end to his work). Overall though I believe the created about 20. Maybe a bit less or a bit more.(Waits for Wild to correct me) |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 19:07:50 GMT -5
I've started an entire argument over what type of government the Empire is before, so... a democracy? I said it was fascist. They were convinced it was communism (though, when it comes to religion, the Empire was closer to communism than fascism, due to the abolishment of the Jedi). |
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Post by wildknight on May 5, 2014 22:31:02 GMT -5
communist, Marxist, socialist, racist, but I'd argue that feminist aren't really that bad inherently Socialists aren't necessarily bad. The socialist system is just a terrible idea that does not work. Just like feminism. ... which, btw, makes them both inherently bad 8) |
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Post by wildknight on May 5, 2014 22:35:28 GMT -5
Most, if not all of it. On paper, anyway. The on paper argument is a bunch of bullcrap. So what if it seems like a good idea "on paper" the reality is that it's not a good idea. Sure, the outline may seem like it would work out and all, but if it doesn't then who the **** cares? It doesn't work, end of story. ... the outline doesn't even seem to work. It's utter nonsense from the ground up. Marx knew it was a recipe for tyranny. Anyone that buys that socialism is an ideal for the people doesn't understand the history involved. Socialism is, at it's heart, the idea that the state knows what is best for all people everywhere. By it's very nature, at best, it serves a minority well by subjugating the majority. |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 5, 2014 23:36:57 GMT -5
What's even more interesting is the lecture I got from my girlfriend who insists that one female character isn't enough in Star Wars and that it's a bit of a disgrace that the new trilogy only has one (2 if you count Fisher) in it. I pointed out to her that it's economics and the Star Wars franchise has never really had more than 1 female character per trilogy, so why would they change it, considering the formula makes money? I also pointed out that when you have films with more than one female lead - you end up with shite like sex in the city. If she wants more positive female role models to look up to in media, she should really get more female writers and directors in Hollywood because the ones we have there now pander to the really shite versions of women. She didn't speak to me for about an hour after that conversation. That's alright, send her my way. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 6, 2014 6:30:20 GMT -5
The on paper argument is a bunch of bullcrap. So what if it seems like a good idea "on paper" the reality is that it's not a good idea. Sure, the outline may seem like it would work out and all, but if it doesn't then who the **** cares? It doesn't work, end of story. ... the outline doesn't even seem to work. It's utter nonsense from the ground up. Marx knew it was a recipe for tyranny. Anyone that buys that socialism is an ideal for the people doesn't understand the history involved. Socialism is, at it's heart, the idea that the state knows what is best for all people everywhere. By it's very nature, at best, it serves a minority well by subjugating the majority. I believe the argument was actually about communism, but meh. Your point still stands. |
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