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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jun 20, 2014 8:30:43 GMT -5
Care to expand on the nope? Nope. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jun 20, 2014 8:37:15 GMT -5
Care to expand on the nope? Nope. Fair enough. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jun 20, 2014 8:47:34 GMT -5
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and His is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" KJV - John 2 verses 1 and 2.
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Post by WhoCares? on Jun 20, 2014 9:02:12 GMT -5
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jun 20, 2014 9:05:08 GMT -5
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth. I suppose but truth based off of belief and not science is only truth to the believers. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jun 20, 2014 9:07:38 GMT -5
Truth sounds like hate to those who hate truth. I suppose but truth based off of belief and not science is only truth to the believers. Science is founded on belief just as much as religion is. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jun 20, 2014 9:10:50 GMT -5
I suppose but truth based off of belief and not science is only truth to the believers. Science is founded on belief just as much as religion is. Not the same thing and you know that. I can prove with science that water freezes at a certain temperature. There are actual tests, beliefs are just that. When it comes to my personal faith I know I had a moment in my life that pointed me in the direction of faith, but that cannot be used as evidence. It's very anecdotal. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jun 20, 2014 9:13:51 GMT -5
Science is founded on belief just as much as religion is. Not the same thing and you know that. I can prove with science that water freezes at a certain temperature. There are actual tests, beliefs are just that. And how do you know the water freezes? Because you see it with your eyes? You can see mirages as well, that doesn't make them real. To believe in science you must first believe that the universe exists. That is something that no amount of scientific fact can prove. |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jun 20, 2014 9:22:12 GMT -5
Not the same thing and you know that. I can prove with science that water freezes at a certain temperature. There are actual tests, beliefs are just that. And how do you know the water freezes? Because you see it with your eyes? You can see mirages as well, that doesn't make them real. To believe in science you must first believe that the universe exists. That is something that no amount of scientific fact can prove. I can see it with my eyes, study the rate of which the molecules move and the rate of slowdown as it gets colder. Mirages can also be explained by what...wait for it....Science. I digress, I'd rather talk about faith at this point. As I stated earlier, completely anecdotal, but God turned me from a bad path about six years ago. I thank God everyday for that, I thought I could go through life totally on my own. When in fact God is always with me, just sad that I went away from God in my college years. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jun 20, 2014 9:25:30 GMT -5
And how do you know the water freezes? Because you see it with your eyes? You can see mirages as well, that doesn't make them real. To believe in science you must first believe that the universe exists. That is something that no amount of scientific fact can prove. I can see it with my eyes, study the rate of which the molecules move and the rate of slowdown as it gets colder. Mirages can also be explained by what...wait for it....Science. But how do you know what you see is real? How do you know anything exists at all? Because your senses tell you it does. All of these senses can be manipulated, we've seen proof of it. That's what I'm getting at here. Our entire universe is built around faith. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 20, 2014 10:20:58 GMT -5
Christians as a group are catered to politically. Which leads to hate, which leads to faith based targeting. Nope. I think Ethan has a point, to a point 8) |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jun 20, 2014 10:26:19 GMT -5
I think Ethan has a point, to a point 8) Christians only have as much political sway as any other large group. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 20, 2014 10:30:23 GMT -5
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and His is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" KJV - John 2 verses 1 and 2. ... it's wholly inappropriate to read this verse to mean that a Christian should not concern himself with sin. It is absolutely the responsibility of every Christian to call out sin for what it is. The Bible not only states this clearly in a number of a places, it also indicates that there are consequences for not speaking out about sin. On the "basic logic" side of things, consider this; if Jesus Christ is the great physician, how can he do his work of healing of we as Christians are telling people that they're not sick in the first place? Forgiveness is a wonderful thing, and yes, Christ died for ALL sins past, present, and future. Grace exists for everyone, all the time... but only those who acknowledge their sinfulness can actually benefit from it. A Christian who won't call out sin when he sees it is a Christian who is content to live under God's grace, but doesn't care if others suffer eternal torment. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 20, 2014 10:31:38 GMT -5
I think Ethan has a point, to a point 8) Christians only have as much political sway as any other large group. "Christians" tend to have a rather loud bully pulpit from which to operate in this country. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jun 20, 2014 13:54:34 GMT -5
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and His is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" KJV - John 2 verses 1 and 2. ... it's wholly inappropriate to read this verse to mean that a Christian should not concern himself with sin. It is absolutely the responsibility of every Christian to call out sin for what it is. The Bible not only states this clearly in a number of a places, it also indicates that there are consequences for not speaking out about sin. On the "basic logic" side of things, consider this; if Jesus Christ is the great physician, how can he do his work of healing of we as Christians are telling people that they're not sick in the first place? Forgiveness is a wonderful thing, and yes, Christ died for ALL sins past, present, and future. Grace exists for everyone, all the time... but only those who acknowledge their sinfulness can actually benefit from it. A Christian who won't call out sin when he sees it is a Christian who is content to live under God's grace, but doesn't care if others suffer eternal torment. That's how a lot of people take it, unfortunately. "Well Jesus sacrificed himself, and I can kill people as long as I ask for forgiveness afterwards!" |
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Post by ethanm1834 on Jun 20, 2014 14:20:44 GMT -5
... it's wholly inappropriate to read this verse to mean that a Christian should not concern himself with sin. It is absolutely the responsibility of every Christian to call out sin for what it is. The Bible not only states this clearly in a number of a places, it also indicates that there are consequences for not speaking out about sin. On the "basic logic" side of things, consider this; if Jesus Christ is the great physician, how can he do his work of healing of we as Christians are telling people that they're not sick in the first place? Forgiveness is a wonderful thing, and yes, Christ died for ALL sins past, present, and future. Grace exists for everyone, all the time... but only those who acknowledge their sinfulness can actually benefit from it. A Christian who won't call out sin when he sees it is a Christian who is content to live under God's grace, but doesn't care if others suffer eternal torment. That's how a lot of people take it, unfortunately. "Well Jesus sacrificed himself, and I can kill people as long as I ask for forgiveness afterwards!" I wasn't placing that verse to make a point or present one. I just wanted to post a verse, and I found one I liked. That's all no need to read too much into my posting it. |
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Post by wildknight on Jun 20, 2014 14:22:52 GMT -5
I wasn't placing that verse to make a point or present one. I just wanted to post a verse, and I found one I liked. That's all no need to read too much into my posting it. Well in that sense, it's a wonderful verse, and something that we should all be reminded of |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jun 20, 2014 14:24:38 GMT -5
That's how a lot of people take it, unfortunately. "Well Jesus sacrificed himself, and I can kill people as long as I ask for forgiveness afterwards!" I wasn't placing that verse to make a point or present one. I just wanted to post a verse, and I found one I liked. That's all no need to read too much into my posting it. I didn't think you were. Everyone here is smarter than the average person. |
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Post by RandomGB on Jun 21, 2014 7:21:13 GMT -5
Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal.
John 6:27 (ESV)
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jun 22, 2014 16:58:01 GMT -5
"Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you will need, you will abound in every good work."
2 Corinthians 9:6-8(NIV)
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