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Post by #HEELSRI on Jul 21, 2014 3:48:44 GMT -5
So, Bray Wyatt lost to Chris Jericho on Battleground.
For anyone who thinks that the outcome is stupid, read on.
In WWE, the main feuds happen in a Best of 3 Matches fashion. Usually, the one to win the first match, loses the second to maintain unpredictability for the Rubber match.
The reason WWE didn't have Wyatt win tonight is; now Jericho has got the one-up on Wyatt, which means Wyatt will win at Summerslam. If WWE is pushing Wyatt, wouldn't it make sense to have him win at the second biggest PPV in WWE?
After Summerslam, Wyatt and Jericho would be 1-1; and again usually, the rubber match is one by the one who won the first one. So, going by the usual way, Jericho may win the rubber match. That's where the unpredictability sets in. Otherwise we might have thought Wyatt would win at the end of the feud aka the rubber match, here we are unsure because Wyatt has just won the previous match.
If Wyatt does win the rubber match, it would give him the privilege of defeating Chris Jericho back-to-back.
Now, think about what if Wyatt won at Battleground. Then we KNOW Jericho would win at Summerslam (which is bad, because a new talent should be showcased at the 2nd biggest PPV), and we would KNOW that Wyatt would win at NOC.
So, this outcome at Battleground is a very good idea by WWE, taking the long term plan into consideration.
Comments?
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 9:13:50 GMT -5
Yes, I have a comment. You're wrong. 8)
You don't "push" monster heels by having them lose. Ever. You decelerate the push of a monster heel by having them lose. Go back and check your little "best of three" theory against the historic feuds for guys like Kane, and you'll see that you're utterly wrong. It doesn't matter if Wyatt goes over at SummerSlam. He's now been made to look utterly pathetic and very beatable in two consecutive feuds. Three if you count the Shield mini-feud. His credibility is completely shot.
Losing to a part-timer who is well past his prime is of no value to anyone, much less a heel that is supposedly on the rise. The reality is, at this point even beating Jericho wouldn't have done Wyatt any good, because Jericho has no credibility himself.
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Post by #HEELSRI on Jul 21, 2014 9:27:10 GMT -5
Your last sentence is a good reason why Jericho won. He has to gain some credibility.
How is Wyatt a monster heel? He's a heel, yes; but monster?
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 9:34:29 GMT -5
Your last sentence is a good reason why Jericho won. He has to gain some credibility. *facepalm* Translation; "I'm not interested in logic, I'm just going to make any excuse I can to make it seem as if Wyatt losing that match wasn't incredibly stupid." ... because, you know, it makes a ton of sense that Jericho needs to gain credibility when he's a part timer whose run is going nowhere and is going to end six months from now with him leaving for another year 8) ... in the same way that Undertaker was originally a monster, and Kane? He was supposedly an imposing threat with a quasi-supernatural/cultish angle... |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 9:38:17 GMT -5
Can I just point out that this thread is exactly why the WWE pretty much blows these days and is losing money hand over fist?
"Protect the old guy, no matter what, and FOR GOD'S SAKE don't do anything new! Ever!"
I mean, I hate Bray Wyatt. He's a terrible wrestler, and wildly overrated as a promo guy... but if it's between a guy with future potential and seeing a $#@!ing dinosaur come back and go over AGAIN, well, my preference is pretty simple.
... ironically HHH has been running around saying "adapt or perish." I sometimes wonder if the people up at Titan Tower even realize how ridiculous they make themselves appear.
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Post by #HEELSRI on Jul 21, 2014 9:42:12 GMT -5
Logic says, if you're putting over a wrestler, you need some credibility as well.
Okay, we shall go your way. If Wyatt won this match, would it be good to have Jericho win at SummerSlam; instead of an up and comer in Wyatt?
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 21, 2014 9:49:46 GMT -5
I have to agree with Knight Sri. Wyatt is a lost cause at this point as a heel. He has lost clean to Cena twice and just lost clean to Jericho. If Wyatt were to have lost in a fluke way like DQ or something then you would have a point. This is a trend WWE has started with Wyatt. He has lost every BIG match he has been a part of outside of Daniel Bryan.
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 21, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -5
Logic says, if you're putting over a wrestler, you need some credibility as well. Okay, we shall go your way. If Wyatt won this match, would it be good to have Jericho win at SummerSlam; instead of an up and comer in Wyatt? Gotta say no on that one. Battleground should have been a 6 man tag match with Jericho and Usos vs Wyatts and the Wyatts go over. Then Jericho vs Wyatt at Summerslam and Wyatt goes over again. Usos take the fall at Battelground protecting Jericho which makes him look strong. Wyatt is in desperate need for a BIG wins and getting the consistently. WWE doesn't have any main event heels at this point outside of Rollins who hasn't been wasted. Which has me thinking after Lesnar someone is turning heel. Might be Reigns. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 9:53:40 GMT -5
Logic says, if you're putting over a wrestler, you need some credibility as well. It does? seems like I just went over this last night. Midcard gatekeeper in the WWE right now? Kofi Kingston. Last major match he won was... oh, right, the Tuesday before never. HHH, still considered "the man" in the WWE, and certainly a credible threat. Getting a victory over HHH would unquestionably be considered a major step in the career of anyone. HHH's last victory in a match that mattered? Not since time immemorial. I could go on, but basically, the whole "a guy has to win to put other guys over" thing is pure BS. Once a guy has an established reputation, he can give the rub, even if he hasn't won anything of importance in years. Jericho should NEVER beat Wyatt. Never ever ever. Jericho is an old guy, well past his prime, and a part-timer to boot. Wyatt is supposedly a serious threat. Undertaker didn't have "back and forth" rivalries at the start of his career. He straight up crushed dudes. Right now the WWE is desperately in need in that kind of a heel. There isn't a single heel that seems like a major threat. |
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Post by xboomerang on Jul 21, 2014 11:05:49 GMT -5
There isn't a single heel that seems like a major threat. You're telling me if you saw Tyler Breeze in a dark alley you wouldn't run screaming? |
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Post by Raven_turns#HEELYESBITW on Jul 21, 2014 11:09:45 GMT -5
There isn't a single heel that seems like a major threat. You're telling me if you saw Tyler Breeze in a dark alley you wouldn't run screaming? For is ass yes |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 11:10:33 GMT -5
There isn't a single heel that seems like a major threat. You're telling me if you saw Tyler Breeze in a dark alley you wouldn't run screaming? Well... no. I'd assume he was about to proposition me for a "date." ... but Breeze is on NXT, not in the real WWE. NXT has credible heels. |
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Post by xboomerang on Jul 21, 2014 11:14:39 GMT -5
In all seriousness, would Lesnar not count as a credible heel? I mean I know he's part time but I'd say he's a serious threat.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 21, 2014 11:18:16 GMT -5
There isn't a single heel that seems like a major threat. You're telling me if you saw Tyler Breeze in a dark alley you wouldn't run screaming? *Looks up Tyler Breeze* Is this guy supposed to be a gay Zack Ryder? |
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Post by xboomerang on Jul 21, 2014 11:21:13 GMT -5
You're telling me if you saw Tyler Breeze in a dark alley you wouldn't run screaming? *Looks up Tyler Breeze* Is this guy supposed to be a gay Zack Ryder? lmao I can see why he could be interpreted as that, but he's just a male model who uses his phone as a mirror. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 21, 2014 11:22:01 GMT -5
*Looks up Tyler Breeze* Is this guy supposed to be a gay Zack Ryder? lmao I can see why he could be interpreted as that, but he's just a male model who uses his phone as a mirror. So a gay Zack Ryder? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 11:23:57 GMT -5
lmao I can see why he could be interpreted as that, but he's just a male model who uses his phone as a mirror. So a gay Zack Ryder? Yep. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 11:24:42 GMT -5
In all seriousness, would Lesnar not count as a credible heel? I mean I know he's part time but I'd say he's a serious threat. I don't count Lesnar precisely because he's a part timer. WWE needs a guy who can appear and be scary every single week on RAW, not a guy who shows up to collect a paycheck at whatever PPVs he happens to feel like in that particular year. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 21, 2014 11:26:30 GMT -5
I like Tyler Breeze, btw. I think he's got all kinds of talent. He's anything but a "dominant heel" type character, but he's certainly a very credible heel, and has a great talent for being hated.
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Post by xboomerang on Jul 21, 2014 11:28:24 GMT -5
Maybe Rusev could fill that role when they cut out the generic USA vs Russia stuff, I mean come on he isn't even Russian.
And yeah, Breeze is cool.
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