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Post by miketheratguy on Dec 21, 2013 11:15:11 GMT -5
I'd kind of love to see Cena maintain his "super Cena" abilities as a heel. The fans would love being frustrated as the guy just overcame everything thrown at him, all the while cutting heel promos and spitting hate for the fans. Yep, this. |
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Post by Rush on Dec 21, 2013 11:15:59 GMT -5
Eh, HHH hasn't had a good match in years. He's lost a step. I think if he'd stayed consistently active in the ring he could still be working well, but all the time off for injuries and corporate business, combined with just getting older and slower, have combined to make him half the wrestler he used to be. He'd probably be okay if he went back to a more "cunning" ring style ala Old Man Ric Flair, but for some reason he insists on sticking to the powerhouse brawler stuff. I said this before, Look at all of HHH's opponents over the past few years. Taker, Kevin Nash & Brock Lesnar to name a few.... He is always one to stick to the style of the person he's wrestling or to the style of the match they are in, And all of those matches have been matches that require him to brawl with the opponent  He's been like that for the past 10 years |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:16:05 GMT -5
I said this before, Look at all of HHH's opponents over the past few years. Taker, Kevin Nash & Brock Lesnar to name a few.... He is always one to stick to the style of the person he's wrestling or to the style of the match they are in, And all of those matches have been matches that require him to brawl with the opponent There's something to that, of course. He's been in matches that suggested a more brawling style, and mostly fighting brawlers... but HHH was never so limited that he could only ever work one style in the past. One of the reasons he's a living legend is that he was believable as the "Cerebral Assassin" because he could change it up so smoothly. Regardless, though, my biggest issue is that being a brawler doesn't automatically mean a guy can't put on exciting matches. HHH's problems aren't just limited to him brawling... his matches in general have lacked a sense of drama, no matter how hard he tries to draw the audience in. It might have something to do with the fact that the outcome of every single match has been obvious from the start. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:18:17 GMT -5
He's been like that for the past 10 years No he hasn't. If I cared, I could dig up half a dozen matches from the mid-2000's where he was doing a lot more than brawling, and where he mixed his style up not only from match to match, but also during matches. One of his key "assets" as a wrestler (and one he rarely gets credit for) is being able to change the tempo of a match almost instantly by moving between brawling, technical, and power type moves. |
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Post by Rush on Dec 21, 2013 11:18:59 GMT -5
I said this before, Look at all of HHH's opponents over the past few years. Taker, Kevin Nash & Brock Lesnar to name a few.... He is always one to stick to the style of the person he's wrestling or to the style of the match they are in, And all of those matches have been matches that require him to brawl with the opponent There's something to that, of course. He's been in matches that suggested a more brawling style, and mostly fighting brawlers... but HHH was never so limited that he could only ever work one style in the past. One of the reasons he's a living legend is that he was believable as the "Cerebral Assassin" because he could change it up so smoothly. Regardless, though, my biggest issue is that being a brawler doesn't automatically mean a guy can't put on exciting matches. HHH's problems aren't just limited to him brawling... his matches in general have lacked a sense of drama, no matter how hard he tries to draw the audience in. It might have something to do with the fact that the outcome of every single match has been obvious from the start. There is was only one outcome for HHH match  Bow down |
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Post by Rush on Dec 21, 2013 11:22:56 GMT -5
He's been like that for the past 10 years No he hasn't. If I cared, I could dig up half a dozen matches from the mid-2000's where he was doing a lot more than brawling, and where he mixed his style up not only from match to match, but also during matches. One of his key "assets" as a wrestler (and one he rarely gets credit for) is being able to change the tempo of a match almost instantly by moving between brawling, technical, and power type moves. I was never hhh fan like. I just wasn't a fan. He was always a guy who was always consistent with good matches but personally never had a match of the year type match. Personally thinking that's why I think that's the reason he's been around for so long cause he was very cautious and took care of his body in the ring. He is a smart wrestler who younger guys could really learn from. So many try to go out have match of the night. There always so many bumps a guy can take |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:26:51 GMT -5
It's funny you should mention that... because several guys have said that HHH is amongst the guys who has always been willing to take the hard shots to sell the match. Jericho talks about it, as does Big Show. Supposedly one reason HHH likes working with Lesnar is because Brock "doesn't hold back."
In short; I've always thought the whole "HHH is cautious" thing was BS
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Post by miketheratguy on Dec 21, 2013 11:27:08 GMT -5
I think Haitch has been in a couple matches of the year, though it has a lot to do with who he's working with. The triple threat at Mania 20, for example.
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Post by ethanm1834 on Dec 21, 2013 11:29:14 GMT -5
Just for fun lets say that the Animal does come back. What would they have him do? Feud with Orton? Give CM Punk an actual proper win against him?
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Post by Rush on Dec 21, 2013 11:30:29 GMT -5
It's funny you should mention that... because several guys have said that HHH is amongst the guys who has always been willing to take the hard shots to sell the match. Jericho talks about it, as does Big Show. Supposedly one reason HHH likes working with Lesnar is because Brock "doesn't hold back." In short; I've always thought the whole "HHH is cautious" thing was BS It's not a knock on the guy. Being cautios in that business is a must if you want to last. I've seen him take several big shots but those were important matches. You didn't see that on the average raw with him. |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:31:56 GMT -5
It's funny you should mention that... because several guys have said that HHH is amongst the guys who has always been willing to take the hard shots to sell the match. Jericho talks about it, as does Big Show. Supposedly one reason HHH likes working with Lesnar is because Brock "doesn't hold back." In short; I've always thought the whole "HHH is cautious" thing was BS It's not a knock on the guy. Being cautios in that business is a must if you want to last. I've seen him take several big shots but those were important matches. You didn't see that on the average raw with him. Well, no, he doesn't bump like Jeff Hardy used to. He also doesn't use crystal meth 8) |
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:33:14 GMT -5
Just for fun lets say that the Animal does come back. What would they have him do? Feud with Orton? Give CM Punk an actual proper win against him? Put him with Lesnar and let them kill one-another. A feud with Orton is, frankly, beneath Orton at this point in his career. So that's probably what WWE will do |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 21, 2013 11:41:01 GMT -5
Unless I see him on Raw or Smackdown I see no reason to care.
I don't hate Batista but besides his last heel run he did nothing impressive as a main event guy. I can see him coming back and feuding with Orton , that seemed like a feud WWE had always wanted to do but never did(I don't remember them feuding if they actually did)
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:42:46 GMT -5
Unless I see him on Raw or Smackdown I see no reason to care. I don't hate Batista but besides his last heel run he did nothing impressive as a main event guy. I can see him coming back and feuding with Orton , that seemed like a feud WWE had always wanted to do but never did(I don't remember them feuding if they actually did) I don't remember them feuding, but if they did, it was at the wrong time. The best time would have been right after Batista left Evolution... and both he and Orton were babyfaces at the time. Then when Orton turned heel, he was doing the "Legend Killer" bit and taking out Batista would have been a waste of his time. |
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Post by TomJohns on Dec 21, 2013 11:47:37 GMT -5
2009
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 11:49:08 GMT -5
... that video is 15:28 and they don't even touch one another till 5:40... 8)
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Dec 21, 2013 11:52:55 GMT -5
Reason two: He's back on a long term schedule. Meaning he will be there every week. He's not a big enough star to pull off the limited appearances. He can be of use to put over guys but he'd have to get the star power back. I only see that happening with a full time schedule. Read the article again. He's leaving not long after for another movie. |
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Post by stewie34732 on Dec 21, 2013 12:04:32 GMT -5
the animal has been unleashed!!!! YEAAAAAAAAA!! cant wait
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Post by wildknight on Dec 21, 2013 12:08:07 GMT -5
the animal has been unleashed!!!! YEAAAAAAAAA!! cant wait I'm starting to sense a pattern in Stewies favorite wrestlers |
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Post by setokaiba on Dec 21, 2013 12:08:35 GMT -5
Batista vs Brock in Battle of the botches.
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