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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 13:51:19 GMT -5
Look, I love you and all, but you're coming across as more ignorant and presumptuous than I've ever seen you. What's with you today? Do you really despise pot THAT much? That's an odd reaction for someone who was, by his own admittance, quite the partier in the past. *sigh* No, I don't "despise" pot. I'm not emotionally invested in it in any way. What I am passionate about is the truth. You can think it's some personal thing if you want; I have studied the facts. I would LOVE for muta to post some of his sources of "facts" and "science" so that I could demonstrate how easy it is to refute those claims, because I'm fairly certain that I know exactly which ones he's referring to (in a broad sense). The fact that I used to party is evidence of the fact that I'm capable of a failure in judgment, not evidence of the fact that pot doesn't hurt anything. Which helps.to.support.my point that bad decisions don't define character. The life lessons you.took from those experiences did. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 25, 2014 13:51:46 GMT -5
Waltman strikes me as a generally nice guy who happens to love pot. Austin strikes me as a petulant douche who happens to define himself by beer. As for spousal abuse, there's a difference between being such a scumbag that you randomly come home to punch your loving wife and finding yourself in an alcohol-fueled stupor with a fellow addict who's raging, breaking pictures, and attacking you first. You seem to believe the former and that's your prerogative, I wasn't there. I'd agree with the first part of your statement, but the second doesn't work for me. Abuse is abuse. Even Waltman acknowledges how wrong he was. Addiction is evidence of poor character. If it's not, I'm not sure how one could EVER consider ANYTHING poor character. I disagree that "abuse is abuse". Not every scenario is the same nor is it automatically "abuse" just because someone who's struck happens to have a vagina. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 25, 2014 13:51:54 GMT -5
I'd agree with the first part of your statement, but the second doesn't work for me. Abuse is abuse. Even Waltman acknowledges how wrong he was. Addiction is evidence of poor character. If it's not, I'm not sure how one could EVER consider ANYTHING poor character. I think addiction is evidence of poor choices not poor character. Good people make bad decisions all the time. It's how one goes.about growing and learning from these decisions that d we fine their character. no addiction is many things. i am an addict. i can't drink. if i do i'll go on a bender the likes of which can only be found in the writings of Hunter S. Thompson. but i can smoke all the weed i want to. but, my workplace does random testing so i don't... |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 25, 2014 13:54:18 GMT -5
I think addiction is evidence of poor choices not poor character. Good people make bad decisions all the time. It's how one goes.about growing and learning from these decisions that d we fine their character. no addiction is many things. i am an addict. i can't drink. if i do i'll go on a bender the likes of which can only be found in the writings of Hunter S. Thompson. but i can smoke all the weed i want to. but, my workplace does random testing so i don't... So you have smoked pot and see no problems with it. That's something called extreme bias. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 25, 2014 13:56:13 GMT -5
no addiction is many things. i am an addict. i can't drink. if i do i'll go on a bender the likes of which can only be found in the writings of Hunter S. Thompson. but i can smoke all the weed i want to. but, my workplace does random testing so i don't... So you have smoked pot and see no problems with it. That's something called extreme bias. this goes up there with stewie's "i agree but beg to differ" |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 25, 2014 13:56:52 GMT -5
Look, I love you and all, but you're coming across as more ignorant and presumptuous than I've ever seen you. What's with you today? Do you really despise pot THAT much? That's an odd reaction for someone who was, by his own admittance, quite the partier in the past. *sigh* No, I don't "despise" pot. I'm not emotionally invested in it in any way. What I am passionate about is the truth. You can think it's some personal thing if you want; I have studied the facts. I would LOVE for muta to post some of his sources of "facts" and "science" so that I could demonstrate how easy it is to refute those claims, because I'm fairly certain that I know exactly which ones he's referring to (in a broad sense). The fact that I used to party is evidence of the fact that I'm capable of a failure in judgment, not evidence of the fact that pot doesn't hurt anything. What difference would it make if Muta sourced his facts? Without even knowing where he's getting his information you've already come right out and argued that "I'm using FACTS, you're using UNRELIABLE JUNK FROM LIARS WITH AN AGENDA". It's not the subject you're arguing that surprises me, it's some of the uncharacteristically childish rhetoric that you're throwing around. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 25, 2014 13:57:01 GMT -5
[quote author="@crazyday" source="/post/21390/thread" timestamp="1390675879"Which helps.to.support.my point that bad decisions don't define character. The life lessons you.took from those experiences did.[/quote]
No, it doesn't. It simply establishes the acknowledged fact that I had piss poor character when I was 13 years old. And 14 years old. And 15 years old. Heck, I stopped smoking pot when I was 17, and I still had very poor character until I was in my late 20's...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2014 13:57:24 GMT -5
no addiction is many things. i am an addict. i can't drink. if i do i'll go on a bender the likes of which can only be found in the writings of Hunter S. Thompson. but i can smoke all the weed i want to. but, my workplace does random testing so i don't... So you have smoked pot and see no problems with it. That's something called extreme bias. The same extremism bias shared by someone who never has with an equal opposite opinion. One could argue he has a better frame of reference be side he has smoked pot and is drawing his opinion from first hand experience. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 25, 2014 13:58:03 GMT -5
What difference would it make if Muta sourced his facts? Without even knowing where he's getting his information you've already come right out and argued that "I'm using FACTS, you're using UNRELIABLE JUNK FROM LIARS WITH AN AGENDA". It's not the subject you're arguing that surprises me, it's some of the uncharacteristically childish rhetoric that you're throwing around. ... it's not rhetoric to point out that the sources that have claimed marijuana to be "harmless" and "unaddictive" are junk science. It's factual. |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 25, 2014 13:58:34 GMT -5
So you have smoked pot and see no problems with it. That's something called extreme bias. The same extremism bias shared by someone who never has with an equal opposite opinion. One could argue he has a better frame of reference be side he has smoked pot and is drawing his opinion from first hand experience. You could argue that... but you'd be arguing in defiance of one of the basic rules of logic... |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 25, 2014 13:58:59 GMT -5
Which helps.to.support.my point that bad decisions don't define character. The life lessons you.took from those experiences did. No, it doesn't. It simply establishes the acknowledged fact that I had piss poor character when I was 13 years old. And 14 years old. And 15 years old. Heck, I stopped smoking pot when I was 17, and I still had very poor character until I was in my late 20's...[/quote] |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 25, 2014 13:59:06 GMT -5
So you have smoked pot and see no problems with it. That's something called extreme bias. The same extremism bias shared by someone who never has with an equal opposite opinion. One could argue he has a better frame of reference be side he has smoked pot and is drawing his opinion from first hand experience. Are you trying to prove my point for me? |
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Post by wildknight on Jan 25, 2014 13:59:32 GMT -5
I disagree that "abuse is abuse". Not every scenario is the same nor is it automatically "abuse" just because someone who's struck happens to have a vagina. It's not the vagina that makes it abuse, it's the relationship. Hitting your wife is abuse, period. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 25, 2014 14:00:31 GMT -5
What difference would it make if Muta sourced his facts? Without even knowing where he's getting his information you've already come right out and argued that "I'm using FACTS, you're using UNRELIABLE JUNK FROM LIARS WITH AN AGENDA". It's not the subject you're arguing that surprises me, it's some of the uncharacteristically childish rhetoric that you're throwing around. ... it's not rhetoric to point out that the sources that have claimed marijuana to be "harmless" and "unaddictive" are junk science. It's factual. everything is addictive. how much money do we as a populous spend on fast food? facts..between marijuana and alcohol one causes liver disease, heart disease and brain cancer..the other is marijuana.. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 25, 2014 14:01:37 GMT -5
What difference would it make if Muta sourced his facts? Without even knowing where he's getting his information you've already come right out and argued that "I'm using FACTS, you're using UNRELIABLE JUNK FROM LIARS WITH AN AGENDA". It's not the subject you're arguing that surprises me, it's some of the uncharacteristically childish rhetoric that you're throwing around. ... it's not rhetoric to point out that the sources that have claimed marijuana to be "harmless" and "unaddictive" are junk science. It's factual. Telling someone "What I believe is fact and what you believe is junk" (especially considering that you don't even know what information he has or where he's gotten it) is childish, I'm sorry. |
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Post by miketheratguy on Jan 25, 2014 14:04:04 GMT -5
I disagree that "abuse is abuse". Not every scenario is the same nor is it automatically "abuse" just because someone who's struck happens to have a vagina. It's not the vagina that makes it abuse, it's the relationship. Hitting your wife is abuse, period. No more than hitting your husband. Child. Doctor, police officer, fireman, etc. As I said, possession of a vagina does not inherently mean that it's "abuse" the second that someone raises a hand towards you. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 25, 2014 14:04:45 GMT -5
The same extremism bias shared by someone who never has with an equal opposite opinion. One could argue he has a better frame of reference be side he has smoked pot and is drawing his opinion from first hand experience. Are you trying to prove my point for me? or, perhaps you missed the fact that of the two, one triggers a negative reaction and the other doesn't... |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jan 25, 2014 14:09:49 GMT -5
Are you trying to prove my point for me? or, perhaps you missed the fact that of the two, one triggers a negative reaction and the other doesn't... Uses pot and enjoys it. No positive reaction. Never used pot, absolutely must hate pot. |
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Post by muta75 on Jan 25, 2014 14:10:03 GMT -5
It's not the vagina that makes it abuse, it's the relationship. Hitting your wife is abuse, period. As I said, possession of a vagina does not inherently mean that it's "abuse" the second that someone raises a hand towards you. and, we already have laws against those acts. but, we criminalize "drugs" to prevent them? odd stuff.. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Jan 25, 2014 14:11:32 GMT -5
no addiction is many things. i am an addict. i can't drink. if i do i'll go on a bender the likes of which can only be found in the writings of Hunter S. Thompson. but i can smoke all the weed i want to. but, my workplace does random testing so i don't... So you have smoked pot and see no problems with it. That's something called extreme bias. I feel like you think the word "bias" means somebody that follows what they believe and doesn't believe the same thing as Soon. for example, I like Peanut Butter so I eat it daily. You hate it. You say it's bad for you, I say it's good for you. You say, "You're just being biased." I know, that's a bit different than pot, but nonetheless it has the same meaning. He wasn't being biased, he was stating his opinion, something you and WK seem to have a problem with (his opinion, not the fact that he stated his opinion). |
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