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Post by wildknight on Jul 13, 2014 13:26:22 GMT -5
... but Satan is most definitely NOT an antichrist, nor is there any such thing as THE antichrist.
ANY institution or individual which claims to sit in the seat of Christ is an antichrist. That is, anyone who usurps the power and authority of Christ. If someone claims to "speak for God," but teaches anything contrary to what the scripture reveals, or adds or removes anything from scripture, they are an antichrist. It's just that simple. There have been many antiChrists, and there will be more.
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Post by WhoCares? on Jul 13, 2014 13:30:48 GMT -5
Well, what I mean is that the beast of the earth that is described in Revelation is antichrist. I think that is why people refer to him as "the" antichrist.
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Post by wildknight on Jul 13, 2014 13:39:08 GMT -5
Well, what I mean is that the beast of the earth that is described in Revelation is antichrist. I think that is why people refer to him as "the" antichrist. My exegesis would suggest that the Beast of the Sea represents the tyrannical Earthly powers (in John's time, Rome), while the beast of the Earth represents the anti-christs that arise to mislead the people. The Beast of the Sea rules through force, while the Beast of the Earth wins hearts through deception. |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jul 13, 2014 13:41:47 GMT -5
Well, what I mean is that the beast of the earth that is described in Revelation is antichrist. I think that is why people refer to him as "the" antichrist. My exegesis would suggest that the Beast of the Sea represents the tyrannical Earthly powers (in John's time, Rome), while the beast of the Earth represents the anti-christs that arise to mislead the people. The Beast of the Sea rules through force, while the Beast of the Earth wins hearts through deception. But aren't both beasts described as one person each? |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 13, 2014 13:45:33 GMT -5
So.... the current pope is an AntiChrist?
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 13:50:21 GMT -5
My exegesis would suggest that the Beast of the Sea represents the tyrannical Earthly powers (in John's time, Rome), while the beast of the Earth represents the anti-christs that arise to mislead the people. The Beast of the Sea rules through force, while the Beast of the Earth wins hearts through deception. But aren't both beasts described as one person each? Yes, and that's a technique that the Bible uses more than once to describe multiple people of a similar ideology or figure. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 13:51:26 GMT -5
So.... the current pope is an AntiChrist? A lot of the popes are/were antichrist. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 13, 2014 13:52:50 GMT -5
So.... the current pope is an AntiChrist? A lot of the popes are/were antichrist. Yeah... that's why I despise the Catholic Institution. |
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Post by wildknight on Jul 13, 2014 13:55:48 GMT -5
My exegesis would suggest that the Beast of the Sea represents the tyrannical Earthly powers (in John's time, Rome), while the beast of the Earth represents the anti-christs that arise to mislead the people. The Beast of the Sea rules through force, while the Beast of the Earth wins hearts through deception. But aren't both beasts described as one person each? I'm not sure what you're asking. If you mean that they are separate from one another, yes they are. If you mean that they each represent only one historical event or person? No, not at all. Revelation isn't a direct prophecy; to read it that way one would have to assume that Jesus' blessings and warnings for the 7 churches were meant ONLY for those churches, and do not apply to us today, etc. John's Revelation talks about the ongoing cycle of human tyranny and false teaching working hand-in-hand to destroy Christ's work on Earth, but the ultimate point of the Revelation is to point out the fact that Christ's victory (and therefore, our victory) is already secured. God frequently operates in a "now and in the future" way, particularly with regards to prophecy. I can't say why, but I suspect it has to do with being Omnipotent and therefore not attached to linear time in the way that we are. Virtually all Old Testament prophecies were relevant to their current (or very near future) situations, but also pointed to more distant future events. The same is true in the New Testament, such as when Christ tells the Hebrews that "not one stone will be left on another." He's referring of course to his own body, which will soon be gone, but also to the Temple itself, which would be destroyed some 40 years after His death. Revelation should be read in that light, with respect to God's usual way of doing things. The Beast of the Sea represents all of the mighty tyrannies that have put their boot on God's people... the Phillistines, the Assyrians, the Babylonians, the Romans, etc, and the Beast of the Earth represents all of the people who have led God's people away with false teaching and sweet words. |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jul 13, 2014 14:04:40 GMT -5
I'm somewhat confused, but I see what you mean.
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 14:06:17 GMT -5
Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys?
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Post by xboomerang on Jul 13, 2014 14:08:20 GMT -5
Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys? I'm Agnostic, but you already know that... (oh my God I'm channelling Alberto Del Rio) |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jul 13, 2014 14:08:29 GMT -5
I'm a Southern Baptist.
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Jul 13, 2014 14:09:57 GMT -5
Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys? The church I go to right now is Pentecostal, but I've been to churches of other demographics as well. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 13, 2014 14:10:15 GMT -5
Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys? WhoCares, Soon, WK, and I for the most part share the same beliefs. Seto is Atheist. WSS is unreligious. Ethan is Christian.
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Post by MrEdgeFan on Jul 13, 2014 14:26:49 GMT -5
Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys? I'm Agnostic, but you already know that... (oh my God I'm channelling Alberto Del Rio) I already knew that. Wasn't ask your ass, Herman.  I'm a Southern Baptist.</div> Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys? The church I go to right now is Pentecostal, but I've been to churches of other demographics as well. Just purely out of curiosity and being too lazy to go back through the pages, what's everyone religious stance/practice here? I know Tedd is... Lutheran, right? What about you other guys? WhoCares, Soon, WK, and I for the most part share the same beliefs. Seto is Atheist. WSS is unreligious. Ethan is Christian.
And alright, cool. I just said it, but in case you missed, I just left practicing religion. Unsure if I'm agnostic or Atheist, though. It's leaning toward Atheist, however. |
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Post by WSS? on Jul 13, 2014 14:29:13 GMT -5
Agnostic. I'd say I lean towards believing that there is a god, but I'm not spectacularly fond of the church and its followers. I also wouldn't believe the stuff like "God hates the gays" or whatever.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 13, 2014 14:30:31 GMT -5
Agnostic. I'd say I lean towards believing that there is a god, but I'm not spectacularly fond of the church and its followers. I also wouldn't believe the stuff like "God hates the gays" or whatever. 'Got hates the gays' is bullshit spewed by The Westboro Baptist Church. |
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Post by WhoCares? on Jul 13, 2014 14:30:45 GMT -5
I also wouldn't believe the stuff like "God hates the gays" or whatever. I don't know why people say that God does. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on Jul 13, 2014 14:32:39 GMT -5
'Gay' is no more of a sin than lying or stealing. If I've been taught correctly, all sins are equal in God's eyes.
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