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Post by wildknight on Feb 11, 2014 13:12:16 GMT -5
Because the thread is locked and I cannot respond there, I am going to respond here to something from last night's RAW thread.
First, I find it absolutely unacceptable for ANYONE, Mods or otherwise, to make their points and then lock a thread as if their word gets to be the final word on an issue simply because they have the power to lock a thread. Further Mods continuing to add to the (locked) thread is equally unacceptable.
Second, and more importantly; it is NOT stewie's opinions that draw the ire of the members of this board. There are plenty of Brock Lesnar fans around, plenty of Bray Wyatt fans around, they don't all evoke the level of response that stewie does. It is stewie's behavior that brings on explosive responses. He is fully aware of how irritating his commentary can be, and he does nothing to curb it.
Contrasted with, for instance, soondragon, who was suspended from this board, the only difference that I can find is that soon actually has the guts to stand on his convictions, rather than passive-aggressively provoking people and then hiding behind Mods.
When it comes to behavior modification, if you're concerned about interaction, it's important to comprehend who the instigator is before you go about trying to curb the ongoing situation.
In case this is going over someone's head, I'll say it extremely simply; stewie is 17, not 10. I do not find "just ignore it, he doesn't know any better" to be reasonable direction.
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 11, 2014 15:11:41 GMT -5
Soon was never really suspended for anything to do with Stewie solely, first of all. It was many of things  Stewie hasn't hidden behind any mods neither, in fact he has actually told us that it doesn't bother him and that he doesn't really care. We chose to act upon it ourselves. He has been talked to about it as well, so you thinking that we ignored him is very incorrect. I added to thread because I was told to go back and look at it and I stated my opinion  The instigator isn't necessarily just Stewie neither. Yes, Stewie goes around saying "YES, BROCK LESNAR Blah blah blah" (which actually is one of the main reasons everybody attacks him by the way, because of his opinions on certain things), but when literally everybody attacks the person, they're instigating contributing to the nonsense just as much (and actually a lot of the times instigate). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 15:49:12 GMT -5
So, I take it stewie spout nonsense last night (like always), and the thread gets locked because everyone argues with him over it. Seriously? I mean, seriously? The other forums (the previous ones) allowed us to get away with stuff worse than that. And they know how to be mods (not an insult, they had been mods before and knew how to mod).
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 11, 2014 15:53:26 GMT -5
No, not at all. The whole thing sparked because people attack Stewie EDIT: Also, mike has been a mod before, and he is the one that acted upon said situation (although, I would've done the same thing eventually). |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 16:15:50 GMT -5
No, not at all. The whole thing sparked because people attack Stewie EDIT: Also, mike has been a mod before, and he is the one that acted upon said situation (although, I would've done the same thing eventually). People wouldn't attack stewie if he didn't act stupid 90% of the time. I'm talking about RAWF, Cyber, etc. Considering the stuff we got away with on there, this is nothing. And you posting after it was locked doesn't help any. |
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Post by BaneTheDestroyer on Feb 11, 2014 16:19:43 GMT -5
No, not at all. That's the kind of thing that's wrong. Saying somebody's opinions are wrong is one thing, calling them stupid is just a way to provoke and instigate something more than it already is.
I already said why I posted in the thread. I was asked to state my opinion on the matter, and I did.
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Post by wildknight on Feb 11, 2014 16:21:31 GMT -5
Again, it's really two separate issues; moderators saying their piece and then cutting of all avenues of discussion by locking threads gives me the dry heaves, but that's not the heart of the issue here.
The heart of the issue is that someone is receiving protection from the consequences of their own behavior because their behavior has reached a point where several people are starting to push back. stewie is not a victim, he's an intentional provacateur.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 16:25:15 GMT -5
No, not at all. That's the kind of thing that's wrong. Saying somebody's opinions are wrong is one thing, calling them stupid is just a way to provoke and instigate something more than it already is. I already said why I posted in the thread. I was asked to state my opinion on the matter, and I did. So...you're defending him. Stewie wouldn't be called stupid if he realized that he should stop saying what he's been saying. Yet he continues to act the way he does, knowing that he's going to be called stupid. |
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Post by skylerb97 on Feb 11, 2014 16:33:27 GMT -5
These's forums have been full of trolls for years several guys have come and gone and we've all had to push back on them. The only one I remember being sensitive about it is Chris (though I do think sometimes he honestly believed what he was saying) though I do disagree with Knight a bit. In some circumstances being annoying to someone because their annoying you isn't the best course of action although the typical "If someone's trolling ignore it and let them have their fun" philosophy isn't working in this case either
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Post by WSS? on Feb 11, 2014 16:35:22 GMT -5
If Stewie was just saying stupid stuff, we wouldn't care. But he goes out of his way to shove his opinions in our face, because he knows it irritates us.
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Post by skylerb97 on Feb 11, 2014 16:38:09 GMT -5
Just put the guy on vacation I'f we can't solve the issue and Since Stewie purposely does nothing positive to drive a conversation along
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Post by wildknight on Feb 11, 2014 16:40:21 GMT -5
If Stewie was just saying stupid stuff, we wouldn't care. But he goes out of his way to shove his opinions in our face, because he knows it irritates us. Exactly. It's true, perhaps I should take a more mature direction in my response... but I don't see where allowing someone to push buttons without consequences is the better answer for anyone. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 11, 2014 17:10:37 GMT -5
Yeah in the end my suspension wasn't even attributed to the comments I made about Stewie. It was for the same reason you got a warning.(At least I'm fairly certain that was it)
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 11, 2014 17:12:46 GMT -5
Also my commentary is irritating?
"He is fully aware of how irritating his commentary can be, and he does nothing to curb it.
Contrasted with, for instance, soondragon, who was suspended from this board, the only difference that I can find is that soon actually has the guts to stand on his convictions, rather than passive-aggressively provoking people and then hiding behind Mods."
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Post by WSS? on Feb 11, 2014 17:17:30 GMT -5
My commentary is irritating? It gets kind of annoying seeing you jump down people's throats. Let's not forget how you treated "Pax" or whatever on the other forum. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 11, 2014 17:21:02 GMT -5
My commentary is irritating? It gets kind of annoying seeing you jump down people's throats. Let's not forget how you treated "Pax" or whatever on the other forum. How I treated Pax... You mean when I called him a fanboy in a post that was obviously a joke? |
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Post by WSS? on Feb 11, 2014 17:25:06 GMT -5
Joking or not, you can certainly stand to be less aggressive.
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Post by skylerb97 on Feb 11, 2014 17:26:43 GMT -5
It gets kind of annoying seeing you jump down people's throats. Let's not forget how you treated "Pax" or whatever on the other forum. How I treated Pax... You mean when I called him a fanboy in a post that was obviously a joke? Point is some people don't understand your always in character. And when your only defense for unknowingly starting trouble is "It's a joke" maybe that's a sign you should ease up just a smidge |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 11, 2014 17:30:53 GMT -5
Joking or not, you can certainly stand to be less aggressive. Pssh, why would I do that? Actually in real life I'm not very aggressive at all, I'm actually a very quiet person and keep mostly to myself. It's fun to let loose sometimes, and doing so online has the least amount of real world consequences. |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on Feb 11, 2014 17:32:21 GMT -5
How I treated Pax... You mean when I called him a fanboy in a post that was obviously a joke? Point is some people don't understand your always in character. And when your only defense for unknowingly starting trouble is "It's a joke" maybe that's a sign you should ease up just a smidge Well most of the times that defense is entirely truthful, and when it isn't I'll openly admit that I was being serious. Like with what I said about Stewie in that one post... |
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