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Post by wildknight on May 9, 2014 21:04:28 GMT -5
... no he wasn't. That's like saying that Darth Vader's lighsaber is the lead antagonist of Episode IV. Maul isn't an antagonist at all. He's a plot point. He could just as easily have been an inanimate object in the hands of Darth Sidious. That is true. He was quite lacking in terms of personality... That's not really what I meant, though it is true. What did he accomplish in the movie though? He didn't plan anything. The important plot elements that revolved around him were 1) Killing Qui-Gon and 2) Revealing the existence of the Sith to the Jedi Like I said... both of those things could have been accomplished by Sidious showing up, stabbing Qui-Gon with his lightsaber, and then leaving it behind to be found by Jedi. Maul was no more important than a prop weapon handle 8) |
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Post by skylerb97 on May 10, 2014 7:32:53 GMT -5
Boba Fett's death is indefinitely more pointless. Darth Maul was at least the lead antagonist of a movie. ... no he wasn't. That's like saying that Darth Vader's lighsaber is the lead antagonist of Episode IV. Maul isn't an antagonist at all. He's a plot point. He could just as easily have been an inanimate object in the hands of Darth Sidious. Do we even know if PM had a main antagonist? that movie could almost not happen and II and III would be almost unaffected |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 8:35:16 GMT -5
It's either Sidious or the Trade Federation.
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Post by wildknight on May 10, 2014 9:06:27 GMT -5
The primary protagonist is Sidious, everyone else is a henchman of sorts.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 10, 2014 9:33:21 GMT -5
The primary protagonist is Sidious, everyone else is a henchman of sorts. Lol Sidious is the good guy!? Jar Jar Binks must be the primary antagonist... |
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Post by wildknight on May 10, 2014 10:23:41 GMT -5
The primary protagonist is Sidious, everyone else is a henchman of sorts. Lol Sidious is the good guy!? Jar Jar Binks must be the primary antagonist... ... that looked weird when I typed it. I'm a dorkfish |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 11:33:18 GMT -5
Star Wars VII: Personal Message is announced. Live through all the things you loved in the prequels, like a shit load of Jar Jar Binks singing Britney Spears! And then jump 50 years into the future to see what happened after that!
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Post by pinksparklepuff on May 10, 2014 12:20:58 GMT -5
Was Britney Spears even a thing when episode I was released?
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Post by wildknight on May 10, 2014 12:25:38 GMT -5
Was Britney Spears even a thing when episode I was released? She must have been, N Sync had a cameo (that was cut out) |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 12:27:28 GMT -5
Was Britney Spears even a thing when episode I was released? She played Jar Jar... |
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Post by wildknight on May 10, 2014 12:28:09 GMT -5
Was Britney Spears even a thing when episode I was released? She played Jar Jar... Liar. Jar Jar was far more intelligent than Britney Spears. |
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Post by pinksparklepuff on May 10, 2014 12:28:38 GMT -5
Everything makes sense now.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2014 12:29:51 GMT -5
Liar. Jar Jar was far more intelligent than Britney Spears. No. They gave her pills that gave her a working brain. That's how she played Jar Jar. |
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Post by skylerb97 on May 10, 2014 14:37:33 GMT -5
Was Britney Spears even a thing when episode I was released? She must have been, N Sync had a cameo (that was cut out) oh dear god! Chalk up another one to the dozens of movie sins that film committed. is the footage available anywhere just so I can laugh? |
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Post by SoonDragon67 on May 10, 2014 14:40:42 GMT -5
She must have been, N Sync had a cameo (that was cut out) oh dear god! Chalk up another one to the dozens of movie sins that film committed. is the footage available anywhere just so I can laugh? The aliens from ET had a cameo in one of the movies. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 10, 2014 15:07:29 GMT -5
oh dear god! Chalk up another one to the dozens of movie sins that film committed. is the footage available anywhere just so I can laugh? The aliens from ET had a cameo in one of the movies. Half of the CIS leaders look like ET... |
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Post by miketheratguy on May 10, 2014 15:16:17 GMT -5
that movie could almost not happen and II and III would be almost unaffected That's one of the biggest (and in my opinion, most valid) arguments against The Phantom Menace: That in terms of moving the most important plot elements forward, the movie was essentially one giant waste of time. Aside from the Sith revealing their presence and the discovery and subsequent recruitment of Anakin, virtually nothing in that film actually matters. It's been said that Revenge of the Sith should have been the first film in the prequel trilogy because no one's interested in any of the stuff that happened before it. While I wouldn't go quite that far, I do see why people would say such a thing. One could probably take the most important bits of the first two prequels, add them to Revenge of the Sith, and wind up with just a single prequel film that's maybe half an hour longer. Also: Britney Spears was HUGE by the time TPM came out. Her debut album (and its annoying eponymous single) was all over the place months before the movie was released. |
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 10, 2014 15:20:20 GMT -5
that movie could almost not happen and II and III would be almost unaffected That's one of the biggest (and in my opinion, most valid) arguments against The Phantom Menace: That in terms of moving the most important plot elements forward, the movie was essentially one giant waste of time. Aside from the Sith revealing their presence and the discovery and subsequent recruitment of Anakin, virtually nothing in that film actually matters. It's been said that Revenge of the Sith should have been the first film in the prequel trilogy because no one's interested in any of the stuff that happened before it. While I wouldn't go quite that far, I do see why people would say such a thing. One could probably take the most important bits of the first two prequels, add them to Revenge of the Sith, and wind up with just a single prequel film that's maybe half an hour longer. Also: Britney Spears was HUGE by the time TPM came out. Her debut album (and its annoying eponymous single) was all over the place months before the movie was released. Plot points to be added to Revenge of Sith -Sith revelation -Qui Gon Jin dieing, Obi-Wan maturing -Anakin recruitment -Cloning -Anakin brutally murdering the Sand People -Jango Fett dieing, his son distraught
Yep, that's a tight squeeze, but it could be done in enough time to still be a shorter movie than Peter Jackson's King Kong.
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Post by miketheratguy on May 10, 2014 15:31:38 GMT -5
Qui Gon and Jango Fett, as much as I liked them, could be removed entirely and not much would be affected. The clone storyline is the most important element of the ones you listed, or at least would presumably be, but since the prequel trilogy more or less glossed over the actual Clone Wars in their entirety it's sort of a mystery as to why so much time was spent establishing the backstory in film 2.
If the plan all along was to make Clone Wars spinoffs, cartoons, a CGI series and its own movie, which seems to have been the case, then the entire Jango Fett thread could have been dropped from the film and introduced in one of those other things instead. Not much time needed to have been spent on him at all anyway, the character was more or less fan service. As for Qui Gon, I don't think the films would have suffered by simply focusing on a matured Obi-Wan right from the get go.
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Post by Straight Edge Steve on May 10, 2014 15:36:33 GMT -5
Qui Gon and Jango Fett, as much as I liked them, could be removed entirely and not much would be affected. The clone storyline is the most important element of the ones you listed, or at least would presumably be, but since the prequel trilogy more or less glossed over the actual Clone Wars in their entirety it's sort of a mystery as to why so much time was spent establishing the backstory in film 2. If the plan all along was to make Clone Wars spinoffs, cartoons, a CGI series and its own movie, which seems to have been the case, then the entire Jango Fett thread could have been dropped from the film and introduced in one of those other things instead. Not much time needed to have been spent on him at all anyway, the character was more or less fan service. As for Qui Gon, I don't think the films would have suffered by simply focusing on a matured Obi-Wan right from the get go. I agree. I think Qui Gon's whole purpose was to show Obi-Wan in Anakin's position prior to Anakin becoming the main character.
Jango DID help improve Boba Fett's backstory for the older trilogy... though they hardly gave any effort in characterizing Boba in the old trilogy anyways.
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